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Mirkawolf 06-04-2008 00:27

CzW history: how many wolves and GSD?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rona (Bericht 130270)
If I'm not mistaked, only 4 wolves were involed in its "creation", not to mention that it took place half a century ago8)
Rona

Sorry, you are mistaken, there were 5 wolves involved in the creation of our breed. ;-)
However, for the rest, I absolutely agree with you.

loco 06-04-2008 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf (Bericht 130352)
Sorry, you are mistaken, there were 5 wolves involved in the creation of our breed. ;-)

Hai Mirka;-),
Do you also know, how many diffrent german shepperd's there have been involved,in the beginning?
Just like to know it8).

Greeting Martine.

Hanka 06-04-2008 13:19

Hello Martine, I try answer you:
wolf female BRITA + male german sheepdog Cezar z Brezoveho haje
wolf female BRITA + male german sheepdog Kurt z Vaclavky
wolf male ARGO + female german sheepdog Asta z SNB
wolf male SARIK + F3 hybrid Xela z PS
wolf male SARIK + "czech wolfdog" Urta z PS

Maybe I forgot somebody, Mirka can corect it? I hope...

Hanka 06-04-2008 13:24

I am stupid :lol:, I forgot last wolf female LEJDY from ZOO + german sheepdog Bojar von Schottenhof.
This german sheepdog had perfect working character and he was used much times in breeding of german sheepdogs in czech army. His childrens had very strong working character. He helped to "us" breed with working character of wolfdogs very much.

saschia 06-04-2008 16:44

Hi. I think there were many german shepherds used for breeding. Every F1 generation was crossed back to GS, also the F2 and F3 and sometimes also F4 I think.

Hanka 06-04-2008 17:20

Yes, the "net" of begining of breeding is very difficult - to explain it. I wrote only german sheepdogs with wolves , only "first mateings":lol:. There was more GS.

loco 06-04-2008 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka (Bericht 130417)
Yes, the "net" of begining of breeding is very difficult - to explain it. I wrote only german sheepdogs with wolves , only "first mateings":lol:. There was more GS.

Thank you for trying;-).

But I do understand numbers:lol:.
And the numbers of wolfs is wel known.
But for the German Sheperd,is it also known?

Greetings Martine.

Mirkawolf 06-04-2008 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by loco (Bericht 130434)
Thank you for trying;-).

But I do understand numbers:lol:.
And the numbers of wolfs is wel known.
But for the German Sheperd,is it also known?

Greetings Martine.

I think it probably would be possible to count the GSD´s, if somebody gave it the time and patience. But somehow, most of people is interested in the wolf´s part of the project and tracking their dogs origin back to the wolf :) So everyone knows, there were five wolves, but nobody really bothers, how many German shepherds :lol:

loco 06-04-2008 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf (Bericht 130444)
I think it probably would be possible to count the GSD´s, if somebody gave it the time and patience. But somehow, most of people is interested in the wolf´s part of the project and tracking their dogs origin back to the wolf :) So everyone knows, there were five wolves, but nobody really bothers, how many German shepherds :lol:

Now because of the historie:rock_3 of our breed?
And only intrested in a wolf's part:roll:,is denial ,that also the german sheperd has taken part, to this breed.

With only the wolf,we did not have this breed.
Than it was only,a wolf.

Greetings Martine.

Rona 08-04-2008 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf (Bericht 130352)
Sorry, you are mistaken, there were 5 wolves involved in the creation of our breed. ;-)

1. Brita (two lines but the same animal), 2.Argo, 3.Sarik, 4. Leidi and 5.....?:confused2

Hanka 08-04-2008 16:47

Rona, I know only 4 wolves there.....:wolf:wolf:wolf:wolf

Mirkawolf 08-04-2008 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rona (Bericht 130691)
1. Brita (two lines but the same animal), 2.Argo, 3.Sarik, 4. Leidi and 5.....?:confused2

Yeah, you are right, just four wolves. Five lines. For some reason, I have it fixated in my mind, there were five of them. :shock: Nevermind. My apologies ;-)

Rona 09-04-2008 06:59

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Originally Posted by Mirkawolf (Bericht 130836)
Yeah, you are right, just four wolves. Five lines. For some reason, I have it fixated in my mind, there were five of them. :shock: Nevermind. My apologies ;-)

Ufff.... I was secretly hoping you didn't mean Lupina ;-) (...just kidding, of course;-):lol::lol:)

massimo 09-04-2008 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rona (Bericht 130885)
Ufff.... I was secretly hoping you didn't mean Lupina ;-) (...just kidding, of course;-):lol::lol:)

hahahahaha....
Rona you make me die!

About this I have a question to make to those you know more.

Is it true that when Czechs used Lejdy and most of all Kazan (F1)
http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/910
the slovaks refused (for a while) to recognize him and his litters??
massimo

Margo 17-04-2008 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by loco (Bericht 130434)
But for the German Sheperd,is it also known?

Statistisc? - I love it.... :rock_3

There were 48 GSD (maybe more were crossed but I counted only dogs which can be found in the pedigrees of your dogs).
Between them such famous GSD as DDR Winners Condor vom Falkenwappen(1962 & 1963), Condor Marderpfahl, Greif vom Felsenstein and some more. You can find also many like Alex Rudingen where almost all dogs in his pedigrees passed the SchH3 exams (not only males 8)).

Anyway in our database you can find only first generations of the GSDs (we decided not to include all GSD till to the beginning of history of this breed but only the specific dog and his/her parents.....;-))

loco 17-04-2008 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margo (Bericht 132224)
Statistisc? - I love it.... :rock_3

There were 48 GSD (maybe more were crosses but I counted only dogs which can be found in the pedigrees of your dogs).
Between them such famous GSD as DDR Winners Condor vom Falkenwappen(1962 & 1963), Condor Marderpfahl, Greif vom Felsenstein and some more. You can find also many like Alex Rudingen where almost all dogs in his pedigrees passed the SchH3 exams (not only males 8)).

Anyway in our database you can find only first generations of the GSDs (we decided not to include all GSD till to the beginning of history of this breed but only the specific dog and his/her parents.....;-))

You are the greatest8).
Thanx :bigok.
Groette Martine.

wolfdogs16 21-04-2008 05:17

Well, no matter how many wolves were involved, somebody did an awesome job! :)

Hanka 21-04-2008 06:00

Somebody? It is a pitty, you did not read about history of breed........

Hanka 24-04-2008 11:51

Here are names of GSD (but it is in slovak language):lol:

http://www.wolfdog.org/svk/articles/1307.html

Hanka 24-04-2008 11:52

And here:
http://www.wolfdog.org/svk/articles/1301.html


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