[Kerstin]

Originally Posted by Pavel

Yes, today is in mostly countries selecting by exterior ONLY. Selecting like by army is not possible more, because by army was EVERY dog minimally 1 year in intensive training. Try today put to your contract with owners of your puppy, that they must in 1 year have with their dog have minimally BH. Its unreal.

For me it is a shame, that dogs are judged by exterior only.
Well, 2 dogs have the BH and I am pretty sure the 3 rd one will pass it also. As a matter of fact I promised my breeder to work with the dog, and I will do so.
But you are right, I do not know if I had signed a contract where I am OBLIGED to do so.

Originally Posted by Pavel

I dont know, what you like on this two dogs ? Both are to near to first generations and looks more, like a GSD, than CsW. Aro habe bonitation code for character Oi (nearly imposible to provoke), what was not good for work (and still not good). I know more better examles, than this two, which I like.

Which kind do you like? I like that they are big self confident dogs. And they look like it. What is wrong with the fact they look like a GSD? 50% or more of them are shepard genes and talking about character you named it. For me as a owner there is nothing wrong with a Oi dog. A dog like this might not be the best choice for a "working dog" - but if I wanted a dog for working on a HIGH LEVEL I would not choose a wolfdog but any other breed like Malinois or Australian shephard, depending on what kind of work I want to do. I know you can work with wolfdogs, and you can get fairly good results but this is real hard work. And I am as lazy as my dog For a good companion living around with people an Oi or Oh dog is perfect. For me as a future breeder I would like to breed Of dogs of course but can you guarantee on genetics?

Originally Posted by Pavel

As I wrote, today is unreal to push owners to have in 1 year a BH or ZM exams. But am 100% for obligatory working exam for using the dog in breed. And its doesnt matter which exam (exc. endurance exam, which is not working exam, of course). Today is just many relatively simply exams, which can dog reach by only basic training (ZOP, ZZO, RHE etc.). By czech club goes every 2 years (club conference) discussion about it, but no majority is agree yet (I hope it will be changed ).

You know that we have the same discussion in Germany. You know that I like working with my dogs- but what examen proofs for sure that you are having a good future working dog? Is it BH? IPO? Obedience? Tracking? Trailing? Agility? Why these or other- why not endurance? Endurance tests had their reason as well - Bad mouth say- big dogs dont make it The above choosen example of the R2 did the 40 km as easy as the ZOP and BH
Isnt it all about attitude?

Greetings,
Kerstin