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Not only Italian ones, last year in Bratislava,
http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/shows/823.html
The dog you are writing about was second in champion class, first was another "italian" dog. This dog's Son was first in junior class and is also the second dog you write about "and second
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I was there and I will be honest - the places were OK and Sona judged good but she had no other choice: the competition by males in Bratislava during the European Dog Show was very, very weak. There were only two males looking good: Crying wolf Forrest & Arimminum Nunamiut. It means dogs which get CACIB and res.CACIB. Sure there were also nice 'famous' dogs (Aron, Jerry, Baron, Galiba) but in this time they were not "in form"... So the placement depends always from the form and competition....
About Nunamiut: I was not talking about all Italian dogs. It is not the point. I'm only talking about breeding different type and it is good visible in IT, NL, FR or BE. Sure there are also very good dogs abroad and f.e. Nunamiut is good example of it - he is good example of good Czech type of male. And there are many other dogs which can easly compete on dog shows in CZ and SK because the breeders try to breed the "right" type using the best Slovakian and Czech males and Sarka is good example of it: puppies from Grey Wolf z Molu Es, Dak z Rosíkova, Aron Malý Bysterec...
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It maybe should be explained that it was the second bonitation EVER in Italy and we NEVER prepared our dogs for this event, this is WRONG.
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That's what I'm talking about. It is not critique but simply a fact: I was also during the first bonitations in Germany and sometimes about 70-80 % of dogs get disqualification because the dogs were not prepared and the owners had no idea about the bonitation and not because the dogs had bad character...
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Cutt, the first dog you speak about, was NOT BRAVE Oc, but he was also 64.5cm tall, that is 0.5 cm below the standard and a reason for disqualification.
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I spoke about it and there were also visible problems by movement by him and his son... And I think by the son also the indexes were not OK... I can ask for more info...