Hi,
I read the loooong comment
from Patric and I must put some my opinions and comments.
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Originally Posted by of Mercedes Dream
Here in Belgium we have very good dog trainers,we have many worldchampions like mondioring,veldwerk,agility,obedience......
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Its great to hear it. We are on CsW Forum so my question is, why not any CsW in Belgium have success in sport ? Why I never see any CsW from Belgium on some events like competitions or exams ?
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Originally Posted by of Mercedes Dream
He is a very very good man. He has good contacts with Hartl.
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Please, dont write it. Mr. Hartl is not a miracle. Many CsW owners and breeders using his name like a magic word. I know Mr. Hartl as well and I can guarantee you, that he have good contacts with anybody, who knows him. And whats it may says ????
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Originally Posted by of Mercedes Dream
You wrote that the breedermust follow up the puppies. So, all the original csw in Belgium and Netherland come from the origine countries. Why did'nt those breeders do it? Who's fault is it than?
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You are absolutely right. Guilty are both. Mostly is biggest problem the language barrier. I cant understand breeder, which sold puppy to somebody, with cant communicate with him. And opposite, I cant understand the owner as well. Sure, around the world are bad breeders and "producers of puppies" as well. And countries of origin are not a exception.
Breeder and owner must be in regulary contact. Its a basic principle of breeding (in the right sense of this word).
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Originally Posted by of Mercedes Dream
In our countries a csw is attractive because he looks to a wolf. When tomorrow a csw must be obedient like a german sheppard, than by a german sheppard!
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If in your country is this opinion (I hope not generally), then please stop the breeding and sell all CsW out of Belgium. CsW is working dog and not dog for shows only. This access to our dogs (and to all dogs generally) makes the problems only. CsW is not dog with character like Shi-tzu or Shar-pei (dogs created and selected to be a companion dog only). CsW was created and selected for work and for to be obedient and trained. If dog dont get socialisation and minimally training, then can be dangerous for his enviroment. I know many such dogs, which attacking everything around from shyness. Its a fact. CSW IS NOT COMPANION OR TOY DOG !!!
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Originally Posted by of Mercedes Dream
You wrote that a csw must can stay still to take a picture. Well, that is not the most important thing for a csw.
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Excuse me, did you ever been in dog show ? Not only working dog, but mainly the show dog must can it
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Originally Posted by of Mercedes Dream
In the videoclip Branca was hold on for 10 minutes by a stranger before she had to run 3 à 400 meters to return to me. She did it.
Branca cames always back in the woods!
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Its not a speciality. Comming back on command (recall) may EVERY dog (its a basic not only training but normally living with dog). But you are right, by CsW owners, which have CsW like a shy wolf only its a miracle and top training
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Originally Posted by of Mercedes Dream
Our people don't know yet exactly what you can do with a csw. Agility,coursing,tracking...... That is the problem.
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Here you touch the core of the problem. Many people have the CsW only because the wolf exterior (like you wrote) and dont know, what doing with the dog. But its just from the beginn a totally wrong access to dog ! If I want to have any dog race, then I collect before much a possible informations about this race. How looks like, healty, living conditions and whats may doing with the dog. But many people today buying dogs so, that choice the race on show or from dog catalogue and nothing more. Then is guilty the breedr as well, that to such people sold the puppy.
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Originally Posted by of Mercedes Dream
The only way is to encourage them and explain it. The only thing YOU do is destructive for the "90%". That's wrong. You must be constructive with thoseother 10% and slowly the rest will follow.
I think you like giving critics,...
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Here I must defend Mirka. I know Mirka very well some years. Mirka is not top trainer and her Cira is not 100% ready to go to World championchip of obedience or IPO
. But she have a obedient CsW, which can anytime shows tracing, obedience and defence as well. Mirka done and doing much for our dogs. And I must guarantee you, that she dont critise only. But I can understand her and her schock, when compare the situation here in Czech and in Belgium. I have a same tendency, when I travel abroad as well. Mirka went 1-2 times in the week on training field. She seen there not only perfect trained CsW, but quite good. Shyness was very seldom to see. All CsW, which she seen, can sit, down, stay, heeling and recall not 100% but relativelly good. And not adult dogs only. We starting to training with CsW very early. So that she seen obedient just puppies about 7 moths old. Now come to country, where mostly CsW are shy, dont know basically commands of obedience, and about tracing or defence is no sense to speaking. It must be schock for her and I understand, that she want to change it. And first step is shows the reality. So that she do it. And that many people dont want to hear, that their dogs are shy and dont knows anything, its no miracle.
Patrik, dont fight with Mirka and try to slowly changing the situation of CsW in Belgium together with her.
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Originally Posted by of Mercedes Dream
I've heard that Mijke wants to organise a meeting in Belgium also! Very good!
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See, its a chance to get together. Mijke is one of CsW owners in Holland, who doing something with her dogs. Dont fighting - go together and change the situation.
I cross the fingers for you
