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Dear Fenris,
I understand every "experiment". But experiment must have any target and before you start it, you must make a analysis, what is target, how I want to go and under which conditions.
Whole "Mutara experiment" is more or less (isee today, that "more" is better word) a privat "partyzans action" (how we say in czech. Its mean, that is no rules, no target and no conditions for it.
First was whole "experiment" top secret. After my protest, when I publish first time some information about it, was argumented, that this experiment can improve HD situation in CZ.
Let me explain, whats "tragicaly situation" with HD in CZ. Club choiced 5 years ago new veterinary, who make a HD test for all CsW in CZ. After this changing slowly come the HD results by CsW in CZ worst and worst. First time was against this veterinary strongly Ing.Hartl and Monika Soukupova as well. It was a basic reason, why Jinrich Jedlicka steps down on conference 2000 from main breeding consultant of czech club. Ing.Hartl and M,Soukupova continue fighted against this veterinary and want to change him.
In year 2002 from night to day stoped this activity and about this veterinary was never more to hear from this persons. Why ? Because Mutara was just born and "tragicaly situation" with HD is the good argument for using this hybrids.
And whats reality with HD in CZ ? Just many time we let testing HD in CZ and same dog in other country as well. We have 2 dogs, which in CZ have C and in Germany and Poland A. We have 2 dogs, which have in CZ D and in Poland B. We have just 1 dog, which have in CZ C and in Slovakia A. And we have 1 dog with C in CZ and A in Italy. As you see, the problem will be not in really HD but in wrong system of valuation, which our veterinary used.
Now back to Mutara's hybrids. You write about we need a outcross. Please say, why ? What we need improve ? Because outcross only for refreshing the blood without selecting the quality have no sense.
So that who are parents of Mutara hybrids ?
Father is a GSD without pedigree. Its a good working dog GSD type. He is very good on tracing but absolutely wrong by defence work. Exterior is typicaly GSD. Because have no pedigree have no chance to have a officially HD test according FCI rules. Because have no pedigree nobody knows (the owner as well) who were his parents. What he can take to the CsW breed for improvement ? Do you think, that we dont have enought problems with GSD exterior signs, which are faults by CsW (long ears, long tail, not correct mask, falling back etc.) ? See the bonitation codes and you will see, that with this faults we fighting just from beginn the breeding. Can this GSD give the good gens for working ? I never saw any CsW, which have problems on the tracing. And if, then is it only fault of owner. But try to put piece of meat 2 m under ground and I guarantee you, that CsW will found it immediatelly. So this sense we dont need improve. We need improve a talent to defence work. But its very sorry, but this GSD by defence work falling totally down.
Mother is canadian wolf. Because is it pure wolf, nobody knows something about her parents. Because no pedigree, have no chance to get officially HD test. She is relatively good socialisated but nothing more. Character of wolf we dont need to improve. So that last argument can be exterior. But our breed came from carpatian wolf and not from canadian. Mutara "defenders" argumentate, hat wolf is wolf, doesnt matter, which subspecies. Did you ever seen e.G. bengal wolf or other asians subspecies ? Am not a biologican, so that I cant say more about it, but I know, that from crossing GSDxcanadian wolf came Saarloos wolfhod and its totally other dogs breed. Maybe abou the possibily problems e.G. with black or white colors can write here somebody, who have more knowledges.
And on the end. CsW is not more race, which owned czech border police or Ing.Hartl. Its a international recognised breed and from this reason belong us - all CsW owners and breeders. And so that we all have right to decide about such very seriously steps, like new line founding. The group of people, which defend Mutara dont give any informations, everything is hidden, they refuse any discussion about this thema. They only say again and again like mill ".. everything covered Mr.Hartl and breeding comission, and we believ this people 100%...". Do you think, that its a fair access ? Name of Mr. Hartl is only like a trade mark. Dont forget, that he is 80 years old and dont want to have any conflicts with people. He NEVER yet on public speaks about Mutara. Only on web are two articles about this thema signed by him.
If is Mutara seriously experiment, then I waiting published information. And if is it really experiment, which can take improvement for our race, then I will be first, who will vote for it. But yet ...
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