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Originally Posted by jasmine
ahhh Margo! I don't remember that I would write name of dogs/ breeders. And I haven't thinking about Gorbi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The problem is with his owner and not with the dogs!
And I could write about other dogs...but I won't do it in an open forum.....and I won't do it becase not this is the topic : how could we write a lot of bad things about others.
So please go back to the bonitacion beside takeing personality. Nobody was writing about kennels.breeders, dogs just you.
We want to discuss about bonitacio and not fighting with each other. So please mixing the shit!
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You were not writing about Gorbi? I though you mean exactly him (because many people started to talk how he can get P1 (excellent note) after such behaviour during the bonitation...)
So you see now it is REALLY better to write the names because in other case there can be HUGE misunderstanding.
I see from the post written by Massimo you were writing about Geryon. It is another good argument to write about some dogs openly - some gossips spread behind the back of the owners and breeders became really funny and far away from the reality. But in such case it is a pitty that "
lie repeated often enough become the truth"...
So I would like to write about it now...
You were not im Hronec. You just saw some movies made by the mobile phone so it is no wonder what you know about this bonitation is totally different from the reality...
So maybe I can make it more clear to you and all the people which follow our discussion - if I miss something or forget something pleople which were there (Michael, Massimo, Daiva, Satu, and some more) will add something and correct my words...
The bonitation in Hronec was VERY problematic - you can see it on the end results where even very good dogs become notes and character codes which are much worser than the dogs are in reality... The reasons were different - place, stress, number of dogs, many "beginners", aso...
ANYWAY there were 3 more problematic dogs. Problematic during the measurements but really great and normaly behaving in the real life... By all of them they have to be showed by other person (in all three cases by their breeders). When the owner was next to the dogs shared the stress and handled like crazy...
I will not speak about 2 other but about Geryon which you mentioned... It was like Massimo wrote - with Daiva the dog didn't allowed to be measured even when I tried to help her - he was protecting himself and I think it is the video you saw for sure. But later we changed and only I started to show him. Without any problems I get the muzzle off of him and calmed him down - just few nice words and the dog chaged and calmed down. Sona measured him - when he started to get nervous we just stroked him what made him extremly happy and made possible next measurements...
The bonitation was not perfect by Geryon - nobody says it was - but with some training with possitive methods it will be possible to make bonitation without any problems... Anyway the behavoiour which Geryon showed has been put into his bonitation code - as you can see because of such behavoiur he is "only" Od (irritable - distrustfull) and "only" P3 ("very good") and not more Of or Og (well balanced or perfect but less courage) and P1 ("excellent") which he could get if he would behave NORMAL...
As you can see NOTHING has been HIDDEN - all date is visible in the bonitation code...
If you do not believe me please ask Sona Bognarova - judge which made the bonitation or any person which was there and really saw the WHOLE bonitation of Geryon...
