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Originally Posted by elf
Linebreeding:
1. Fallko Kollárov dvor: père de Ossa Crying Wolf = grand-père de Volos Crying Wolf
2. Durcás Dorka Fehérlófia
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I hope I will not write off topic...
Anyway there were two different ways of breeding. For long time Slovaks were paying more attention to keep "lines" - but there are not enough dogs in Slovakia (too small population to build different lines) and some other things caused that the inbreed is bigger by Slovak dogs.
And Czech breeders were looking for totally different dogs (for some breeders good pedigree was a pedigree where there are no common ancestors). Within some years they destroyed the lines they had...
Both ways are wrong...
Now both countries try again to build lines - different lines. They divided all dogs into groups and you can mate dogs only within the groups to build group with specific characteristics. It is huge topic...
Anyway now people start to mate dogs which have common ancestors to make "stronger" blood of some dogs... From this side the litter you mentioned would be not so bad but...
... in Slovakia the breeding comittee members do not allow to mate dogs which have common ancestors in the first and second generation. So for them the inbreed on Fallko is too strong (too risky). The this case the inbreed coefficient of 19% made because of the same ancestors in the main generations is very high compared to the inbreed of litters in Slovakia or Czech Republic (in the most cases much under 10%). But high numbers are nalso not so bad but...
... you can make pretty strong inbreeds (in the third, third-fourth generation) when the breeding comittee member (breeder) is sure the dogs which blood is "rising" were heathly and excellent looking.
In this case you have strond inbreed in Fallko Kollarov dvor... He is HD-B. He was great looking but also typical offspring of Orlik - it means with curly-coated hair. Orlik z Rosíkova is a dog which is responsible for the hair problems by CzW (the breeders in origin countries a very carefull and try not to make inbreeds and in no way strong inbreeds on this dog) and here you will have Orlik and Fallko int he first 5 dogs where will be the strongest inbreed...
The second strong inbreed you have here is on Durcas Dorcas Feherlofia - female with HD-C.
About the HD-problems.... I do not like when people write about KENNELS because the things are much more complicated... It is not fair to write that HD problems by Crying Wolf are horrible.... Because Crying Wolf kennel has many dogs from different lines and make different matings. And the problems of HD is not the problem of Crying Wolf kennel but pure genetics...
I agree with one of the Italian owners which say: "I'm not angry that my dog has strong displasia because it is my fault. When I see the pedigree of my dog I know the dog had NO CHANCE to be heathy (HD-free) because all generations of his offsprings are HD-carries"
Please - if you mate two dogs where ALL ancestors have results worser than HD-A (all have HD-B and HD-C) do not wait for puppies with good hips... Genetics is genetics... no wonder will happen...
Ossa will be here good example:
1-st generation:
Ossa Crying Wolf - HD-B
2-nd generation:
Fallko Kollárov dvor - HD-B
Briza Crying Wolf - HD-B
3-rd generation:
Koro z Krotkovského dvora - HD-C
Du rcás Dorka Fehérlófia - HD-C
Cézar z Krotkovského dvora - HD-A
Ada Kollárov dvor - HD-A
You see the only good result are by dogs in the 3-rd generation. You have two solutions: mate the dog with other dog which also do no have good HD-results by the ancestors and later blame Crying wolf "for horrible results" like so many people do. I really do not understand it because in such cases the breeders blame Crying Wolf for very bad results even if they are responible because they do not pay attention to follow the simple rules for breeding - "do not mate two dogs which worser HD-Zuchtwerts.
OR...
you can mate dogs with worser pedigrees (accoring the HD-results) with a dog with perfect pedigree. Just look in Czech Republic or Slovakia. they do not allow to mate two dogs which are HD-B or HD-C. If you have female with HD-C or HD-B you can ONLY yse heathy male woth HD-A. The same for the pedigree. If one dog has many ancestor with hips worser than HD-A you can not mate him with another dog which is "HD-suspicious"... And they do not havy ANY problems with "Crying wolf syndrom"...
