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Originally Posted by Hanka
I can write you: exist MUCH carriers in this moment in all states, but only sometimes we can see dwarf puppy. In czech was not dwarf puppy many years. (info what we have, it can´t be 100% info).
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You see - it is exactly the result fo breeders fights...
I know at last about 2 dwarfs born in Czech Republic int he last 2 years and some other cases as "suspicious"...
It is the problem with "information" flow and the reality...
First - just think how many puppies die in every litter. I know by some kennels we remove sometimes 50% of the puppies because they die before they get registered. Sometimes we remove whole litters. I do not say they all are dwarfs but it means we do not have a LOT of information about the resons of puppies dying.
Second - breeding comittee members are also breeders and they ALSO use (or can use) such information for their personal "wars". Look what Monika is writing - many of the accusations base on the information which she get when she was breeding comittee member. So it is obvious that many breeders will hide the problems because they will be affraid to be attacked.
Do you remember the case with the breeders who had dogs with missing testicles? He was marked as "cryptorchidic" breeder ONLY because he was honest enough to show their dogs on the bonitation when they get P14 because of the missing testicle. After it he was attacked by other breeders (saying he is bad breeder) how ALSO had dogs with missing testicles but they were "clever" enough to hide such dogs and do not allow their owners to go with their dogs to make bonitation...
Do you want other example - I publish all HD-results of my dogs. Even the worser one. After Bolton had HD-C I heard other Polish breeder saying that the only "displatic" dog in Poland live in my kennel. It was told by breeder who is using not HD-tested lines and hiding information about really bad results in her line.
Some years ago we received HD-results from pone Italian kennel. Good one were for publication. Worser only for our information. Do you know why the person was forced to do this? Because of the another Italian breeder who was blaming her for breeding dogs with HD. It is funny because exactly this person bred many dysplatic dogs - of course he was putting on internet only the good results of his dogs. I would say more - he was putting BETTER results that the dogs really had.
I was shocked when exactly by the person who was attacking other italian breeders wer realized how many dogs with bad HD and ED results were hidden and how many results we had to fix because the breeder wrote they are HD-A but in the fact they were HD-B or HD-C....
Such hypocrisy is very common by many breeders and I could write tens of examples why many breeders hide some information. Of course there are some breeders who do not affraid to write about the problems in public but if we like it or not miost problems are and will be hidden and known only for a very small initiated group of breeders.
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Originally Posted by Hanka
Dwarfism is problem, but not so big. For me is bigger problem HD, shy wolfdogs, mix with saarlos....
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Yes, there are many "problems" which we should follow...
It will be easy to deal with the mixes - so far the spread in the breed because many people have no idea they have not-purebreed dogs. I know that in the new database and mixes - not REAL wolfdogs - will be marked as "NOT FOR BREEDING". Such warning will get EVERY dog who has a mix in the pedigree. Even if the mix will be in 20 generation before. We will let the lines to die out.
The breeders and owners of mixes are also banned by Wolfdog - their dogs are not put on the stud dog list, their litters are not advertised and their kennels are not on the kennel list.
About the health problems - since we have more and more infromation we "discover" new problems. Of course many of them exist and will exist forever. Cryptorchidism, epilepsy, heart problems will appear because they appear in every population. We track such cases and collect the information.
For example heart problems are more common as many of you think. But still it is not "typical problem" for this breed. It means only that it is good idea also to get your dog tested and just not to breed with dogs with such problems.
The same with epilepsy - from time to time there are cases in different "lines" and in different countries. But again: write about such cases, do not use "ill" dogs fro breeding. It is all what can be done bacause we do not even know what kind of epilepsy it can be (sometimes it is caused by accidents, sometimes it looks like genetic - there are many possible factors).
With HD and ED it is already more clear. Of course worser HD appear and will appear in any kennels. But there are already lines where problems with the hips are much more common. Remove this lines? Of course not - nobody ask it. But expecially such lines should be more tested - and the dogs with worser result sshould be removed from breeding without looking for a "backdoors" (vet who will get better results to a dicplatic dog so the dog can be used for breeding).
Also no responsible breeder should use a dog from "ED-line" if the dog is not tested for ED... And for sure not to make it with a female comming from similar line (known for similar problems).
If we keep to this rules the problems will not dissapear (they will never dissapear as in EVERY population there will be small percentage of ill dogs which are "ill" because of the mutations and "bad luck") but the problems will not spread in the breed....