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yukidomari · 21-09-2011, 18:35

From reading this entire thread I just have a few observations ..

1) Nobody, as I am aware, has accused anyone of mistreating their dogs or not being caring to their dogs. The point is solely that cross-breeding is not in the interest of furthering any purebred breed. Including Vlcaks. And if you do it, you are abusing the breed no matter if you are nice to your own dogs.

2) Nobody has said only a specific person or only UK breeders cross-breed/s. It's well known that there are breeders outside of UK that cross breed, but I don't know where the idea comes from that these breeders are not equally criticized. There are several threads on here that discuss several European kennels known to cross breed. There is even a sticky thread specifically noting which here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17707

3) In regards to crossing CsV because you have to 'work with what you've got', well, this is not a valid argument to me. Here where I am I do not have a breeding female Vlcak within many hundreds of kilometers. But I do have many Chihuahuas and Pit-bulls in this area. Point being, whether or not you breed to a "3/4ths" Vlcak bitch or a Pit-bull, it is cross breeding nonetheless and does nothing to advance the breed no matter where you are. Unless your sole intention to breed is to create 'wolfy looking dogs' without caring to preserve the history and nature of a purebred breed.

4) It's all well and good to want to make a new start, but as Rona said, trust matters. If you were breeding mixes just last month, or ever, really, it doesn't matter that you say you're interested in breeding purebred dogs now (and btw, does that mean that you will ONLY breed purebred dogs from now on, or mostly purebreds with some mixes now and then?).. no good breeder is going to send you a nice bitch or dog until you have proven through action to be interested in the breed and the welfare of it.

No matter what anyone says people are going to judge you by past actions, and rightly so, until you make future actions to prove otherwise.

I hope that there is a group formed that does show that there is a future for well-bred Vlcaks in the UK. And right now, virtually no good breeder is going to send anyone a nice Vlcak to breed with, like Rona said, the only ones to do it at this moment will be other producers.

It takes lots of time to change past histories and perceptions, correct or not, just like politics. It's not going to happen overnight or even by January, if you want to go about it right.

Just my two cents.

21-09-2011, 18:35	#25
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	From reading this entire thread I just have a few observations .. 1) Nobody, as I am aware, has accused anyone of mistreating their dogs or not being caring to their dogs. The point is solely that cross-breeding is not in the interest of furthering any purebred breed. Including Vlcaks. And if you do it, you are abusing the breed no matter if you are nice to your own dogs. 2) Nobody has said only a specific person or only UK breeders cross-breed/s. It's well known that there are breeders outside of UK that cross breed, but I don't know where the idea comes from that these breeders are not equally criticized. There are several threads on here that discuss several European kennels known to cross breed. There is even a sticky thread specifically noting which here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17707 3) In regards to crossing CsV because you have to 'work with what you've got', well, this is not a valid argument to me. Here where I am I do not have a breeding female Vlcak within many hundreds of kilometers. But I do have many Chihuahuas and Pit-bulls in this area. Point being, whether or not you breed to a "3/4ths" Vlcak bitch or a Pit-bull, it is cross breeding nonetheless and does nothing to advance the breed no matter where you are. Unless your sole intention to breed is to create 'wolfy looking dogs' without caring to preserve the history and nature of a purebred breed. 4) It's all well and good to want to make a new start, but as Rona said, trust matters. If you were breeding mixes just last month, or ever, really, it doesn't matter that you say you're interested in breeding purebred dogs now (and btw, does that mean that you will ONLY breed purebred dogs from now on, or mostly purebreds with some mixes now and then?).. no good breeder is going to send you a nice bitch or dog until you have proven through action to be interested in the breed and the welfare of it. No matter what anyone says people are going to judge you by past actions, and rightly so, until you make future actions to prove otherwise. I hope that there is a group formed that does show that there is a future for well-bred Vlcaks in the UK. And right now, virtually no good breeder is going to send anyone a nice Vlcak to breed with, like Rona said, the only ones to do it at this moment will be other producers. It takes lots of time to change past histories and perceptions, correct or not, just like politics. It's not going to happen overnight or even by January, if you want to go about it right. Just my two cents.