I really don't want to continue with "angry" discusssion because useless.
i don't like this forum to become ridiculous as many italian forums, so I really ask my italian "friends" to avoid this forum from becoming so.
Maybe Margo will have to create a new language forum:
"in english for italians...." were italians have fun quarreling in english!
My comments are made only because I do not think certain comments made by people on this thread (in particular margo) are correct so i just want to give readers also "my" point of view.
I don't have surely margo's experience in csw but I HAVE seen the bonitations made in italy and also some made out of italy, but I don't think on the contrary Margo has ever participated or seen any in italy.
My comments are made only with the aim to inform readers that in Italy there are many breeders (even some which Margo dislikes) who work very well and so certain (maybe not all...) breeding plans are excellent.
That the club is making it's efforts to improve a chaotic situation, has a lot to improve but it's working hard.
That only through collobaration amongst the 3 most important countries (in terms of quantity of dogs born) CZ, SK, IT there can be a real improvement of this beautiful breed, and example is given by those breeders who look in other countries for new good bloodlines, by members of club visiting the other countries to "see" with their own eyes what is happening.
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Originally Posted by margo
They made everything to pass bonitation with shy dogs but Sona is an experienced judge and she changed the "parameters" and the results of the ITALIAN bonitation made by HER are still credible. :P But we also know that is was the reason why she is no more invited to make bonitation in Italy. Right? |
If italian people are not happy about the judges and decisions of the club, they will elect other club during new elections next year, or speak to actual club asking them and suggesting them how to behave.
I am personally doing it because I really love this breed.
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Originally Posted by margo
Massimo, I know you are angry but you must understand also the point of view of other people. Sure the bonitations are not perfect but the problem with Italian bonitations is rising and rising... Just imagine that a breeder will decide to cover his female with PERFECT italian male. The breeders will make 1000km in order to cover her female. And in the end he will see the male - SHY, SCARED of strange people. What such person should do? Cover his female with dog which is in the fact P14? Ask the owner of the male to pay the money for the trip because the male is not as it should be? Or ask for compensation the judge which made the bonitation because SCARED dog is not Of and P1 so the judge wrote a false information? Who will be responsible for such judgement?
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I really like your example but it is applicable to any judge and any bonitation.
I would NEVER use my female with some males which passed with "certain" judges unless I have personally seen this male...
So if in SK a dog called Y passes bonitation with P1 or P3 from a certain judge, I will not take my risk making 1000km to cover with him if I doubt about the judge. Not only in italy...
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Originally Posted by margo
Who is an expert in Italy? Who is responsible for it? Who quaranty the quality of the bonitation?
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You misunderstood me.
Expert is the judge who made and undrsigned the bonitation.
This judge is expert, more expert than you margo, forgive me.
Maybe not perfect (who is perfect??) but real expert.
Maybe not a big friend for many, but this is not a reason valid enough for you or anybody else to say they are NOT expert enough.
IF the cz and sk and it comittee (yes, the breeding comitte in italy has also a lot of experience, may you like it or not) do not say that judge X is NOT authorised to make bonitations, then THEIR bonitations are valid.
Because I trust judge X has the "ABILITY to judge the dogs according the right rules", not only Sona Bognarova whom I totally trust, until somebody proves the opposite.
From my point of view I have said even too much so celebrate
, my comments on this thread are over.
massimo