[Huan]

It's your mistake, becouse in ZVV3 (and in ZVV2 too)is in obedience mostly allowed only one command (defined in rule).

There is a part in ZVV regulation: "Povelovou techniku uvádí zkusební rád u
kazdého cviku zkratkou Z=povel zvukový, P=povel posunkový. Pokud zkusební
rád uvádí obe zkratky, muze psovod pouzít jednoho z povelu nebo oba
soucastne." and yes in obedience and tracking part you may use only voice
commands but the whole protection work may be done with voice and optical
commands together (in IPO you use only voice OR optical commands).

Here is a comparision of some parts of IPO2 and ZVV2:

- In IPO2 every exercise is more complex and not executing a small part of
every exercise have big influence on the number of points. In ZVV2 every
"simple" exercise is divided in smaller one and every such part is rated
separately. For example: sit-down-up, barking, "come here" command and etc.
are in ZVV2 separate commands and in IPO are parts of bigger exercises (for
sit-down-up in ZVV you'll get 10 points, in IPO you'll get much less for the
same action because it's just part of bigger exercise which is also rated
with 10 points).

- In IPO2 you have some additional exercises and your dog should do also:
* walking on the leash
* leaving the dog with coming back (in ZVV2 is only leaving and the owner
comes back)
* aport through A-hrudle (in ZVV2 the dog goes through the hrudle but
don't have to aport)
* simple aport of 1kg object
* sending away with lying down (at distance) - in ZVV2 you just have
sending away and coming back

IPO is "theater" for people (precise, you must
know how many steps you go, dog must be happy...).

Yes, and that's why I said it is much harder than ZVV. We are not talking if
IPO is natural for the dogs but whether it's harder or not than ZVV. It is a
kind of sport and you have to accept the rules. This "theater" means that
both the dog and owner have to do the commands perfectly and some of them
have to be made "unnaturaly" and it does afford more from the owner and dog
because of it. And don't forget the german precision )) There are exact
arrangements how every exercise should be judged and there is no place for
different interpretation of the judge. The ZVV leaves the judge much more
room for his own judgement.

Not for CSW, I think :0). I never saw so happy obedience in CSW.

Don't worry. Next time I will show you a video casette with one of such
dogs. Do you really think that the dogs are really happy during the
training. It is just a question of a very, very hard work of the dog and the
owner.

Czech national exam are diffucult. And have you ever seen some ZVV2 or ZVV3?

You're right. I never saw the exam. I just saw dogs with such certificates.

For me dog with ZVV2 is better than dog with IPO 4 :0).

OK. But how would you explain this years results from ZVV1 and IPO1
competition in Roudnice and Lazne Belohrad. According to the points ALL dogs
which started in IPO1 competition wouldn't pass the exam because none of
them passed the 70 points mark (and the same dogs got enough points on the
ZVV1 competition in Roudnice to pass it). And further with one exception all
of them would have serious problems with passing obedience in IPO1. And I
don't think it's a problem of CSW but of the owners who focus on the
free-style of the ZVV regulation and not on precision required by IPO...


Greetings,
Przemek