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gaulirmorn · 30-04-2004, 17:17

I shall try to speak clearly, though I am seeing red at the minute and really need to vent my frustration!

I am sure everyone agrees with you, Paval about what a complete travesty this whole thing is, but we need to know what we can do to help Paul?

Although we accept that these animals are plain and simple dogs, DEFRA simply does not agree, and they are not the kind of organisation to back off easily. We need to band together and drag DEFRA into the present, because they sure as hell ain’t living in it yet!

There is no doubt in my mind that the DEFRA paper regarding wolf ‘hybrids’ is totally inappropriate to the concerns of the Czech and Saarloos. Reading the paper makes you realise that the ‘facts’ shown there are drawn from, and aimed at, direct wolf / dog crosses, NOT our breeds! The information given is archaic to say the least, and does not pertain to either breed in either form or context. This is breed victimisation, plain and simple!

Why are the Czech and Saarloos seen as such immense threats to society?

There has never been a case of human injury recorded against either breed, and there is no obvious cause for concern regarding their instigation into UK society, and yet DEFRA is intent upon demonising these breeds just like the United States vilifies the wolf / dog crossbreed!

Don’t get me wrong in this, the wolf / dog crossbreed is an entity that requires serious consideration, and should be monitored and controlled in order to address public safety. These crosses are NOT pets, they are semi-feral creatures, and Government agencies quite rightly should be concerned about their interaction with society!

But the Czech and Saarloos are registered breeds; upheld and promoted by non other than the WORLD CANINE FEDERATION and that should speak volumes to the likes of the Kennel Club of Great Britain and DEFRA! I will be interested to hear what the FCI advises Paul, after all, the Kennel Club claims that the FCI has some sway with it, so we’ll see, shall we?

I am so sick and tired of this whole ‘if it’s got wolf in it, it’s gonna tear your throat out’ attitude attached to the wolfdog breeds! How many times do we have to explain that if it’s got wolf content, it’s LESS likely to attack you than a standard dog?

And you know what really gets me angry? On paper, people (and DEFRA) find wolfdogs more threatening than say, Rotties, or Mastiffs, and yet if you were to put someone in a room with one of each breed (minus it’s owner) we would soon see which one they would run from!

And like HELL would it be the Czech / Saarloos!

Any dog can attack a human regardless of its wolf bloodline, recent or ancient! In the wrong hands even a Chihuahua can be a dangerous and threatening animal! Believe me, I know this to be a fact!

Red Setters, beautiful and placid dogs, but I know one that had to be put to sleep because he turned on his mistress and gave her 17 stitches and a torn ligament. Mishandling?
Mal-treatment?
Neglect…
no.

Epilepsy!

As you can tell, I am incredibly angry with this whole issue! I’ve wanted a wolfdog ever since I can remember, and have spent the last three years researching the breeds and trying to find a breeder. When Paul and Mandy contacted me, I felt like all my prayers had been answered, not only had I found an UK breeder, but a reputable one toot! Who could ask for more?

Well, I don’t see why some antiquated and irrelevant ruling upheld by a red-taped, burocratic and out-of-touch agency should shatter my dream!

Come on people - use your voice! Let Paul know you are behind him! Lets band together and shut DEFRA up once and for all! Let’s get the Czech and Saarloos wolfdogs into the UK!

30-04-2004, 17:17	#18
gaulirmorn Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 17	I shall try to speak clearly, though I am seeing red at the minute and really need to vent my frustration! I am sure everyone agrees with you, Paval about what a complete travesty this whole thing is, but we need to know what we can do to help Paul? Although we accept that these animals are plain and simple dogs, DEFRA simply does not agree, and they are not the kind of organisation to back off easily. We need to band together and drag DEFRA into the present, because they sure as hell ain’t living in it yet! There is no doubt in my mind that the DEFRA paper regarding wolf ‘hybrids’ is totally inappropriate to the concerns of the Czech and Saarloos. Reading the paper makes you realise that the ‘facts’ shown there are drawn from, and aimed at, direct wolf / dog crosses, NOT our breeds! The information given is archaic to say the least, and does not pertain to either breed in either form or context. This is breed victimisation, plain and simple! Why are the Czech and Saarloos seen as such immense threats to society? There has never been a case of human injury recorded against either breed, and there is no obvious cause for concern regarding their instigation into UK society, and yet DEFRA is intent upon demonising these breeds just like the United States vilifies the wolf / dog crossbreed! Don’t get me wrong in this, the wolf / dog crossbreed is an entity that requires serious consideration, and should be monitored and controlled in order to address public safety. These crosses are NOT pets, they are semi-feral creatures, and Government agencies quite rightly should be concerned about their interaction with society! But the Czech and Saarloos are registered breeds; upheld and promoted by non other than the WORLD CANINE FEDERATION and that should speak volumes to the likes of the Kennel Club of Great Britain and DEFRA! I will be interested to hear what the FCI advises Paul, after all, the Kennel Club claims that the FCI has some sway with it, so we’ll see, shall we? I am so sick and tired of this whole ‘if it’s got wolf in it, it’s gonna tear your throat out’ attitude attached to the wolfdog breeds! How many times do we have to explain that if it’s got wolf content, it’s LESS likely to attack you than a standard dog? And you know what really gets me angry? On paper, people (and DEFRA) find wolfdogs more threatening than say, Rotties, or Mastiffs, and yet if you were to put someone in a room with one of each breed (minus it’s owner) we would soon see which one they would run from! And like HELL would it be the Czech / Saarloos! Any dog can attack a human regardless of its wolf bloodline, recent or ancient! In the wrong hands even a Chihuahua can be a dangerous and threatening animal! Believe me, I know this to be a fact! Red Setters, beautiful and placid dogs, but I know one that had to be put to sleep because he turned on his mistress and gave her 17 stitches and a torn ligament. Mishandling? Mal-treatment? Neglect… no. Epilepsy! As you can tell, I am incredibly angry with this whole issue! I’ve wanted a wolfdog ever since I can remember, and have spent the last three years researching the breeds and trying to find a breeder. When Paul and Mandy contacted me, I felt like all my prayers had been answered, not only had I found an UK breeder, but a reputable one toot! Who could ask for more? Well, I don’t see why some antiquated and irrelevant ruling upheld by a red-taped, burocratic and out-of-touch agency should shatter my dream! Come on people - use your voice! Let Paul know you are behind him! Lets band together and shut DEFRA up once and for all! Let’s get the Czech and Saarloos wolfdogs into the UK!