This topic turns more in throw shit in each other than about the problem itself.
Erwan talked about the best method of breed, but nobody here comes to english forum talk about the many litters of CzW in Spain made without even think about the health of the dogs, no HD and ED results, linebreeding in dogs which we all know have huge hips problems, people repeating litters because its have less costs, people mostly matting dogs because they live close or even people turning breeder because they have male and female CzW, doing it without minimal knowledge nor even about the breed standard nor even caring about the puppies health.
Carlos was the first breeder which traveled far for mate with the dog he likes, with the dog he found correct to his female, he was one of the few breeders wich mate knowing the ED and HD results of both dogs, one of the few breeders that at least did it and published it without fear to send his datas to the database, that only accept official results.
Well, he had a very nice litter, and I hope next years he will have more litters, with different males for bring new blood to spain, with dogs that at least follow the standard of tipicity looking like a CzW should be.
Erwan comes here to show his problem, but also to blame the breeder, I can say it because have two spanish forum wich problems and arging between breeder, owner and other spanish people could happen without any problem, which the problem could be also solved and published in more easy way, with better understanding between each other.
When have in Spain some unscrupulous breeders fearing the correct breeding and that the information about this arrive to people who search for pups, a public blame against breeder whichs trying do the best would be everything they ever waiting for, so they could use it for mistaken future owners and earn his money at the cost of the breed quality and of the pups health.
Here I saw exaggerations for both parts:
Which's the problem of use eletric fence? some people do it and its a very nice idea, principally when the dog could put in risk the life of other dogs and even his own life walking freely. Would be simply irresponsible let the dog free without any control, and of course, if you touch the eletric fence you will fell a pretty strong and painfull eletric shock, that's why the eletric fence exist, animals are not stupid, they will touch it one or two times, sometimes even more, and after it, no more, you can even let it turn off that they will not get close.
The garbage looks like plastic, some dogs love to play with plastic things, principaly with pet bottle, if you adapt it and put something inside, the dog can pass hours playing with it, even wolfdogs, of course it will look like garbage in the floor, also some wolfdogs LOVE steal things and play with, are you sure its garbage and not something the wolfdogs steal and after it "lost his magic" they simply forget in the floor?
Transport the puppies in plastic box, wood box, papper box, you put something more soft to protect the puppies of the hard part... its so common in some breedings over the world, its a good idea to transport some puppies withoutit would be two by two, depending of the climate condition or of the place, also is a nice idea to transport the puppies in a safe way, of course i'm not talking here about travel with the puppies, but about move then to one side to other of the house, or even momentanely let then there when you clean the place where they stay.
About mud in the water place, well, I have some pig dogs which LOVE DIG, they dig and after runs to his water place for DIVE, of course the mud that was in his coat go to the water gallon, I need to change it several times by day, luckly its not only one, but about 4 gallons spreaded at the "destruction garden"
, in the foto of the water place you can see also in the deep a wolfdog digging... its almost auto-explainable question.
After all that I think that if you visit more breeders of CzW over europe you will get crazy because mostly places would be in "worst conditions", some dogs are kept in small kennels when the owner need get out for work, even with such "not nice places" to see, the dogs are healty, well threated and very well socialized, the place even if not nice is normally clean ( and here I mean, without shith, bad smell, parasicts and other things that we can call real problems, not plastic or something the dogs stole, I can assure you that they would NOT be better if stay in a ultra-mega-super auto-clean higienic jail with some people working only for this with a huge ammount of dogs like some kennels of Labradors or Goldens wich looks "nice" to our eyes, but are a real suffer for the dogs.
About STEAL THE DOG, if there was a contract, and you know he took the dog, he didn't steal it, maybe someone is braking the contract, but it does not mean "steal" the animal.
I look to the blog of Erwan since he start it, much before this problem appear, there is written at November 16 that whole litter had bloody diarrhea, that the breeder took the litter to the vet wich tooks care of the puppies and said when they're ok and could get back home, right?
So, seems that then Carlos sended they to their new homes, for what I could read there Zacarias soon keep with the problem and need to go to the vet again, now I know that the dog which had go to france died (I believe that soon his owner will write here and let clear what happened), who is wrong here?
Seems that we really cant blame carlos for it, as for what I know the vet has liberate the dogs and only after it Carlos sended them to their new homes, if its right, so maybe the vet were wrong?
If the dog arrives with the problem at the home of Erwan, he will have how to proof it and then normally the breeder should pay the dog threatment because it was not owner's fail, but suposed fail of the breeder, but looks like in this case nor the owner nor the breeder was wrong, but the vet which liberate the litter as healty.
The problems seems to be bigger than only "irresponsible breeder" or 'irreponsible owner" and looks like you're fighting for something that could be solved in peace, without doubts the court will solve it without mistakes.