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12-10-2010, 19:49 | #1 | |
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MIX/REG/NON-FCI, Unknown - What is it?
New message from Admin explaining the new marks which appeared in several dogs
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12-10-2010, 19:57 | #2 |
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Thanks for clarifying! I was wondering for a while.
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18-10-2010, 00:58 | #3 |
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So I have a question... Luna was bred and born here in the United States. Her parents were imported and, I believe, were registered with Kennel Clubs recognized by FCI before they were registered with AKC and UKC here in the United States. Luna is AKC and UKC, but it seems neither is recognized by FCI.
If I wanted to go overseas and show her in Europe, how would I be able to do that? And how would she be listed in the database? Would her litter have to be registered overseas or could I single register her as her parents are imports? |
18-10-2010, 01:17 | #4 | |
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The #3, "It is up to the FCI to decide about the registration of dogs born in the USA belonging to breeds not recognized by the AKC". Nothing about procedures, though. Then I found this, albeit about another FSS breed, the Cane Corso, but here it says, "In some cases AKC FSS papers are accepted as well." http://www.canecorsoinfo.org/akc.htm Last edited by yukidomari; 18-10-2010 at 01:39. |
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18-10-2010, 21:40 | #5 |
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I see some dogs have two "-" before and after the breeder name. What does this mean?
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19-10-2010, 04:13 | #6 |
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@ Luna's mom...
Until our dogs are accepted into Misc. for AKC, FCI won't recognize them in FSS. FSS is AKC's stubborn way of honoring their reciprocal agreement with the FCI. It's why I keep begging people to register their dogs with AKC, even if they don't plan to breed. However, I think it is possible to register FCI with Puerto Rico, since they are a US territory. I was in touch with their kennel club awhile back, and they said it was no problem. Pete from Blusteel (who owns 2 wolfdogs) was heavily involved with the development of the Cane Corso in the US - she has registered several of her dogs in this way (before they went Misc.). Try getting in touch with her, she can probably tell you more. Marcy
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19-10-2010, 21:41 | #7 |
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For what I know, CBKC accepts AKC pedigree from FCI recognized breeds.
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23-09-2011, 15:42 | #8 |
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Mixes and suspicious dogs
Because there are more and more problems with the "strange" things happening in some kennels and due to the huge interests of Wolfdog owners and breeders to make the problems better visible we will rebuild the database.
The "sure" Mixes will be listed as it was done before. But we will add new option - "under investigation". It will be added to ALL puppies from a litter where even one totally untypical dog was born. For example - there are red puppies born in the litters of Sibir nd Rambo Crying Wolf. Because of it we will mark as "under investigation" all dogs from "R" and "S" litters of Crying wolf and all their offsprings. I hope it will force the breeders to allow the official DNA test by their dogs. If the case will be solved the "under investigation" will be either removed or changed to "MIX" (depending on the results). |
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04-10-2011, 12:10 | #10 |
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Suspicious dogs - listing
Here I will post the list of suspicious dogs with justification. When I ill get official DNA prooves showing that the dos are pure I will publish the results and remove the dogs from this list.
If you want to speak about dogs listed here please use the topics here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21164 |
04-10-2011, 12:29 | #11 |
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Crying Wolf Thalia (Fallko Kollárov dvor x Mona z Krotkovského dvora CS)
Crying Wolf Sibir (Crying Wolf Galiba x Crying wolf Flash) Reason: red (bb) puppies: |
04-10-2011, 12:54 | #12 |
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Offsprings of Blood's Lykan de Louve Blanche -Running Wolf- due to the fact that the "original" dog was "replaced" in France with a mix.
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04-10-2011, 13:01 | #13 |
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Due to the fact that the listed dogs are not pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs:
Demoniak Diamond de la Louve Blanche (Volos Crying Wolf x Yvanka de New Flame) D'Eyden de la Louve Blanche (Volos Crying Wolf x Celeste de la Louve Blanche) F'eira de la Louve Blanche (Yarl Yanatos Crying Wolf x) Erha de la Louve Blanche (Volos Crying Wolf x Au Ténébre de la Louve Blanche) and because there are more problematic dogs sired by Volos and Yarl we will mark all dogs sired by both males. We know that it is possible that only some litters were cheated and maybe that only few dogs of the mentioned litters are mixes (because there is the possiblity that one litter was sired by two or more males, that the females are replaced and/or the some of the puppies were replaced) but due to the cheating done by the breeder "suspicious" are all of them. |
26-01-2013, 21:06 | #14 |
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Information next to the dog names - shortcuts MIX_REG_MUTARA
Information next to the dog names
/ Neutral (_!_) - means only that the dog has in the pedigree ancestor(s) from the kennels which are dealing with counterfeiting of pedigrees, or mixing CzW with other dog breed. Because such breeders are completely unreliable, untrustworthy are also pedigrees of puppies produced by them. Probably most of these dogs is pure wolfdogs, but doubts remain. / Group "at risk" (_?_) - this means dogs which have evident mixes among the direct descendants, siblings, or in their lines. Often these lines are characterized by a large number of anomalies, but because of the lack of verification by the responsible kennel clubs till now it has not been established what is the source. It is known that among these dogs are mixes, but there is no information which of these dogs are "safe"; for sure pure. The case is complicated by the fact that there are probably some litters of different parents. Sending DNA tests showing that dogs "at source" are actually pure wolfdogs will immediately erase (_?_) / Group of "not for breeding dogs" - mixes of huskies, American hybrids, Saarloos, GSD, and "multibreed" dogs of unknown origin. Group including also dogs without documented origin - with so-called "empty" pedigrees, which by definition of Slovakian Club (the owner of this breed) are not recognized as Czechoslovakian wolfdogs. (!_MIX_!) - Information next to the litter from Finish Wolfsirius kennel where falsification of the pedigrees took place (registered parents are not the real parents of the litter). It apply the same for all the descendants of these dogs. This group includes also so called "French Wolfdogs" produced by the la Louve Blanche kennes. With (!_MIX_!) are marked dogs where there is no doubt that these dogs are NOT pure. (!_Saarloos_MIX_!) - Information next to the dogs from de Louba tar kennel, where ancestors come from the Saarloos x Czechoslovakian wolfdog crossings and similar crosses from the Hungarian Crying Wolf kennel. It apply the same for all the descendants of these dogs. (!_Mutara_!) - Information next to the dogs from Italian Passo del Lupo and Forest Incantata kennels that have registered so called Mutaras. Multibreed mutts with 0% content of Czechoslovakian Wolfdog blood. It apply the same for all the descendants of these dogs. (!_REG_!) - dogs with "empty" pedigrees - registered in so called registries (?_NON-FCI_?) - dogs without pedigrees and dogs of unknown origin, which are likely to be mutts (!_NON-FCI_!) - dogs without pedigrees and dogs of unknown origin Important: In this group, there are also pure, FCI registered dogs with missing data on their ancestors. Please send me the details of parents of such a dog (or better update data in the database) and the words (! _NON-FCI_!) will be erased. |
11-02-2015, 12:26 | #15 |
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PRODUCTION OF MIXES
* PRODUCTION OF MIXES *
Because puppies have always two parents I will apply an amendment to the database and as "breeder of mixes" will be marked also the owners of stud dogs, which are used to mixes production. All stud dogs which covered even one female marked as !_MIX_! will be also removed from the stud dog list and marked as "not for breeding". |
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