Where and how can i get a CW puppy in Greece? - Page 2

Rona · 03-05-2007, 17:03

It's very said what you've written

Hopefully things will improve with time...

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Originally Posted by lountzi

are there any restrictions on bringing csv to Greece? Would love to know for possible future purchase.

As far as I know Daiva from Lithuania (nick: wolfin, kennel: Girios Dvasias) sold one of the pups of Harmonia Eden Severu and Harry Kollarov Dvor to Greece. I don't know the details but why don't you contact her, she should know all the conditions and formalities.

wolfin · 03-05-2007, 21:08

Hi, i all thime have contact with Waldwico owners. Hes family send me photo, wright about dog and he living in house and is very loving.
I for all owners from my puppies have very harde testing, and i think-i have good owners

lountzi · 03-05-2007, 22:54

Thanks Rona for the input, would be great to keep in touch.
Wolfin, great news keep up the good work. Very interested in the future to own a csv.For information, do neutering contracts not exist for new owners to protect the breed? Know certain dog breeders in usa and uk use these spay/neuter contracts when selling puppies.

Rona · 04-05-2007, 08:32

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Originally Posted by lountzi

For information, do neutering contracts not exist for new owners to protect the breed? Know certain dog breeders in usa and uk use these spay/neuter contracts when selling puppies.

You mean a kind of agreement between the breeder and pup owner?
I know Polish breeder who asks the owners to sign such an agreement in which the owner promises that he/she will X-ray the dog against hip dysplasia when it's over 1 year old, will see to the dog's getting the official breeding rights, undertake all costs connected with vaccination and health care, follow the regulations imposed by the national kynological organisation, etc. The agreement also secures the breeder's primary right to buy the dog back in case of serious problems.

I don't know how many breeders draw similar contracts and how much legal power such a document possesses, (if any at all).

It would be interesting to learn what are the selling/buying customs and procedures in various kennels /countries, maybe a common best practice could be set or at least indicated? Or maybe it already exists but I just don't know it... ?

nicholas · 04-05-2007, 10:28

Hi all,

Sorry i was not able to answer earlier you questions. Actually they are so many that i do not know where to begin.

Let me try to answer the personal ones. I am 30 years old and i think mature enought o know what i want. I recently moved to a new house wiht my future wife. The total area of this two-floor house is 275 square meters. The balcony alone of the house is 40 square meters. I used to own a german sheperd until he died last year at the age of 15 from cancer. The dog lived with me and my parents in a siomilar house. He was trained and exercised daily since i go jogging every day. I think he had a great life with me. My wife loves dogs and has no problem getting one. With regards to if i will have a kennel in the house the answer is no. The dog will be free to circulate in the house all day long. It would be awful to restrict him in a kennel. The dog will be free to circulate in this house even if there are people or friends visiting. If they don't like the dog then they are free not to visit. Thsi is my house and when they come they must follow my rules. ANd the rule will be that the dog is free in the house. The house has little furnoture due to our minimalist taste. The only case when the dog will be left on the top floor (150 square meters) is only when i have some let's say official guests for an official dinner let's say (my boss for example). To take ti further at least two weekends every month i visit our cottage which is a house in a 5000 square meters piece of land. I think thta the dog can have all the room he wants there. I do not plan to take the dog just to show him off. The dog will be part of the family. The only bad thing is that i am away most the the day while my wife is absent from 9am till 3pm. The dog during that time will be alone. I guess this will not a big problem if he gets used to it. Besides the germna sheperd i had used to live under the same conditions.

With regards to the consitions in Greece. Some people in Nothern Greece do this crossbreeding, and some people do breed pit bulls for fights. But that does not mean that this is the standard. I guess those things can be found everywhere. In general Greeks like animals and do care for them. Of course there are those who d not and are afraid of them. (Liek my mother inlaw for example, but wouldn't that be a great opportun9ity to keep here away from me!!!!!??? ) I am only joking....Having a dog is a big responsibility and the fact that i am getting merried has nothing to do with being hasty or not. I said that i cannot afford to spend two-three days in a journey to Latvia, not that i cannot take care of the dog. Besides i am willing to cover the extra cost to have the dog brought to Greece. Let me ask you this. If you were to travel by plane wouldn't you take your dog with you? What is the difference if i ask the dog to be sent to Greece? It would be a flight trip in both cases.

Now for those who said that i shoudl lock him up in case people or family visit the house, i don't think i am buying a dnagerous wild animal, but a dog.

Just a friendly advice for those who jumped into conclusions. Do not make up your mind unless you know all the facts.

Best,
Nick

P.s: Thank you all for your tips. I am already in contact with some breeders and in the process of arranging the puppy's flight to Athens.

Rona · 04-05-2007, 11:28

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Originally Posted by nicholas

Just a friendly advice for those who jumped into conclusions. Do not make up your mind unless you know all the facts.

OK Nicholas, just a friendly piece of advice for you: be so kind and present the relevant facts accurately if you don't want others to jump into hasty conculsions.

I just wonder if you know exactly what puppy you're buying - what the characters of its parents are, if both parents have been X-rayed against hip dysplasia, bonitated, if the pup is/will be well socialised by the breeder from his early days, (which is particularly important for a CSV!), if the info provided by the breeder is reliable, etc. etc. You seem to be so much preoccupied with the transportation problem, that you might overlook much more important issues and end up with e.g. a dog that is no pure CSV but some mix with canadian wolf (so called Mutara), that have recently been banned from the official breeding registers or with a pup that has non-typical appearance or is extremely shy or aggressive or has serious health problem.

Best breeders, who breed "quality pups" usually have reservations for a few litters in advance, though of course there are exceptions to the rule. Anyway, I would think twice before buying the first pup offered.

BTW The breeder's willingness to deliver the pup to doorstep would make me VERY suspicious because good breeders do it only in emergency, when delivering the pup to another continent or so, and after much time spent on discussions and e-mail exchanges, etc.

Anyway, you'll do what you consider right, but don't forget that you've received a friendly warning

PS Just to make things absolutely clear: I'm not a breeder myself and thus have no interest in your buying this or another dog!

lountzi · 04-05-2007, 12:25

Thanks for the info Wolfin. Interesting topic, as well as the health issues these contracts prevent new possibly inexperienced owners from breedingand cross breeding.People often wish to produce offspring from a loved pet but perhaps overlook the other 8 or 9 pups that need to be homed. Over here we have some very odd "pedigree" German Shepherds!Am reading up on this topic for future info, will let you know if I find anything interesting

nicholas · 04-05-2007, 14:16

The Breeders i am in contact with i found them in the listing within the planned litters found on this web page. They have already sent me pics of the puppy and the parents. The parents can be found on the gallery of this web page as well. So i guess that i can trust them.

Best,
Nick

Rona · 04-05-2007, 16:58

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Originally Posted by nicholas

So i guess that i can trust them.

Good luck in your guessing game then!

But seriously speaking: I hope you'll manage to get a wonderful and healthy CSV and enjoy his company for many, many years!

lountzi · 04-05-2007, 20:15

Great and enjoy your dog. Think however about possible future family and accustomising your dog to being separate for when small friends come to visit. A dog is for life.

nicholas · 04-05-2007, 20:23

Even when we have a child, there are plenty of rooms where the dog can be kept. He is going to have his own room in the house and not just a kennel. With regards to my guessing effort as men tioned, even if i went to pick up the puppy i don't consider my self such an experienced person in order to be able to understand just by eye checking it if it is healthy etc. Teh breeder since he is listed here he must be trust worthy. BEsides info on the temperament of the parents can only be verbal. Looking at the parents for a coouple of minutes does not gice any clue. And to make the long story short...the puppy will turn into the dog its master trains it to be (within the logical boundaries of tis breed).

Rona · 04-05-2007, 20:59

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Originally Posted by nicholas

Even when we have a child, there are plenty of rooms where the dog can be kept. He is going to have his own room in the house and not just a kennel. .

I don't want to sound negative, but.... wolfdogs pefer to stay with their pack. They prefer their master bedroom or even bed

As far as kids are concerned - it all depends how you bring the dog up. See the link to Brenda's gallery: http://www.frey.com.pl/wilczak/index...ilczak-galeria

But the truth is that Brenda grew up with kids and treat them as part of her pack!

nicholas · 06-05-2007, 17:05

Could you please explain to me in simple words what is the wright's coefficient and what is the ancestor loss coeffcient?
Are those numbers the higher the better?

Rona · 06-05-2007, 18:48

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Originally Posted by nicholas

Could you please explain to me in simple words what is the wright's coefficient and what is the ancestor loss coeffcient?
Are those numbers the higher the better?

I'm not a specialist, but generally speaking - the lower Wright's coefficient is, the better. However in reality it's more complicated because it depends on what the breeder wanted to achive through a particular matching. If the WC is very high the dog may be prone to illnesses and faults connected with inbreeding.

03-05-2007, 21:08	#22
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	Hi, i all thime have contact with Waldwico owners. Hes family send me photo, wright about dog and he living in house and is very loving. I for all owners from my puppies have very harde testing, and i think-i have good owners __________________

03-05-2007, 22:54	#23
lountzi Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9	Thanks Rona for the input, would be great to keep in touch. Wolfin, great news keep up the good work. Very interested in the future to own a csv.For information, do neutering contracts not exist for new owners to protect the breed? Know certain dog breeders in usa and uk use these spay/neuter contracts when selling puppies.

04-05-2007, 10:28	#25
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	Hi all, Sorry i was not able to answer earlier you questions. Actually they are so many that i do not know where to begin. Let me try to answer the personal ones. I am 30 years old and i think mature enought o know what i want. I recently moved to a new house wiht my future wife. The total area of this two-floor house is 275 square meters. The balcony alone of the house is 40 square meters. I used to own a german sheperd until he died last year at the age of 15 from cancer. The dog lived with me and my parents in a siomilar house. He was trained and exercised daily since i go jogging every day. I think he had a great life with me. My wife loves dogs and has no problem getting one. With regards to if i will have a kennel in the house the answer is no. The dog will be free to circulate in the house all day long. It would be awful to restrict him in a kennel. The dog will be free to circulate in this house even if there are people or friends visiting. If they don't like the dog then they are free not to visit. Thsi is my house and when they come they must follow my rules. ANd the rule will be that the dog is free in the house. The house has little furnoture due to our minimalist taste. The only case when the dog will be left on the top floor (150 square meters) is only when i have some let's say official guests for an official dinner let's say (my boss for example). To take ti further at least two weekends every month i visit our cottage which is a house in a 5000 square meters piece of land. I think thta the dog can have all the room he wants there. I do not plan to take the dog just to show him off. The dog will be part of the family. The only bad thing is that i am away most the the day while my wife is absent from 9am till 3pm. The dog during that time will be alone. I guess this will not a big problem if he gets used to it. Besides the germna sheperd i had used to live under the same conditions. With regards to the consitions in Greece. Some people in Nothern Greece do this crossbreeding, and some people do breed pit bulls for fights. But that does not mean that this is the standard. I guess those things can be found everywhere. In general Greeks like animals and do care for them. Of course there are those who d not and are afraid of them. (Liek my mother inlaw for example, but wouldn't that be a great opportun9ity to keep here away from me!!!!!??? ) I am only joking....Having a dog is a big responsibility and the fact that i am getting merried has nothing to do with being hasty or not. I said that i cannot afford to spend two-three days in a journey to Latvia, not that i cannot take care of the dog. Besides i am willing to cover the extra cost to have the dog brought to Greece. Let me ask you this. If you were to travel by plane wouldn't you take your dog with you? What is the difference if i ask the dog to be sent to Greece? It would be a flight trip in both cases. Now for those who said that i shoudl lock him up in case people or family visit the house, i don't think i am buying a dnagerous wild animal, but a dog. Just a friendly advice for those who jumped into conclusions. Do not make up your mind unless you know all the facts. Best, Nick P.s: Thank you all for your tips. I am already in contact with some breeders and in the process of arranging the puppy's flight to Athens.

04-05-2007, 12:25	#27
lountzi Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9	Thanks for the info Wolfin. Interesting topic, as well as the health issues these contracts prevent new possibly inexperienced owners from breedingand cross breeding.People often wish to produce offspring from a loved pet but perhaps overlook the other 8 or 9 pups that need to be homed. Over here we have some very odd "pedigree" German Shepherds!Am reading up on this topic for future info, will let you know if I find anything interesting

04-05-2007, 14:16	#28
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	The Breeders i am in contact with i found them in the listing within the planned litters found on this web page. They have already sent me pics of the puppy and the parents. The parents can be found on the gallery of this web page as well. So i guess that i can trust them. Best, Nick

04-05-2007, 20:15	#30
lountzi Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9	Great and enjoy your dog. Think however about possible future family and accustomising your dog to being separate for when small friends come to visit. A dog is for life.

04-05-2007, 20:23	#31
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	Even when we have a child, there are plenty of rooms where the dog can be kept. He is going to have his own room in the house and not just a kennel. With regards to my guessing effort as men tioned, even if i went to pick up the puppy i don't consider my self such an experienced person in order to be able to understand just by eye checking it if it is healthy etc. Teh breeder since he is listed here he must be trust worthy. BEsides info on the temperament of the parents can only be verbal. Looking at the parents for a coouple of minutes does not gice any clue. And to make the long story short...the puppy will turn into the dog its master trains it to be (within the logical boundaries of tis breed).

06-05-2007, 17:05	#33
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	Could you please explain to me in simple words what is the wright's coefficient and what is the ancestor loss coeffcient? Are those numbers the higher the better?