Mixes tchec

[Marcusdrakkar]

Hello!

I am the wife of MarcusDrakkar and after that my husband sent me, I show you this scurrilous rag.

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/12271



I died laughing reading my Elbe is a bastard, do not be afraid of the word, considering what's being said about my dog​​. Now I turn to the author of this cloth, which must exceed a genetic engineer, to make such a statement. Let him go and check whether the Swiss White Sheperd are not mated with Isatis. (note of humor and for those who do not know this word, it means white fox)

My little, you should have done better to attack my other CSW who has no DNA test, you could have said he was a bastard with coyote or fox, or maybe an elephant. ... There I could have nothing to prove. But I have in my hands, the DNA testing from Elbe, that I added below.



I hope to read the person who formally certified that my Elbe is not a pure race, that I confronted her. I highly doubt that, he or she can prove me the opposite with my authenticities. It is true, it's so much easier to attack an animal than a human. This is the kind of people, who prefer poisoning a poor beast rather than to attack the dog's owner.

Now I address to the site administrators. I give you 24 hours to remove this rag, on pain of having filed acomplaint for defamation, forcing you to give me the name of the author of these lies, to attack him too!

I'd recommend in the future to verify what some people you refer, before recording it on your site that is a forum known for his honesty .....

In the future,I will never hear anything about one of my dogs or I will demand compensation on this false rumor because I'm planning to do reproduce with a female jackal and I'd go for the little foxes pure breeds (Re humorous note, to show how far human stupidity can go)

In conclusion:

Look at the plank in your eye before you look the straw in your neighbor's eye.

Especially that breeders of Elbe do shadow to anyone!

So stop all slanders and look at you in a mirror, you will see a face distorted by jealousy and hatred.

I post you the letter from the breeder of l'ange gardien de faujus:

Bonjour,

Ce message s’adresse aux administrateurs de ce forum.
Je suis l'éleveur de ce chien et je suis scandalisé de voir que Elbe de l'Ange Gardien de Faujus est "mixé". Son test ADN prouve bien que les parents sont des CLTS et ceux déclarés sur son pédigrée.
Nous sommes éleveur partenaire depuis 6 ans du laboratoire Antagène et tous les chiots issus de chez nous partent testés ADN et certifiés liens de parentés sur les pédigrées, sur nos deux races (berger blanc suisse et CLT).

Votre site devient de plus en plus diffamatoire. Vous mettez des informations qui ne sont pas vérifiées. Or, ceci est bien le rôle des administrateurs, non !!!
Vous nous attribuez des portées et des chiens qui ne nous appartiennent pas. Exemple :
- Altaya de l'Ange Gardien de Faujus a été vendue à 8 semaines.
- Même chose pour Bayron de l'Ange Gardien de Faujus.
- Le chien sur cet onglet: http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/13570 ne doit absolument pas porter notre affixe.
Les portées non LOF que cette personne a pu faire ne sont pas de notre responsabilité, ainsi que tous les particuliers qui en font…

Autre chose, chaque fois que vous avez vu un poil long sur nos portées, tout de suite vous mettez mixage. Mais il me semble que certaines lignées Italienne sont porteuses de poils longs et qu’il n’y a absolument pas de contradictions sur le standard. Monsieur Karcher a d’ailleurs confirmé deux poils longs issus de Asia et Vaïko.

Maintenant, nous avons envoyé plusieurs mails pour vous demandez d'enlever vos dire sur notre élevage et vous n'avez même pas pris la peine de nous répondre.
Etant donné que nous ne pouvons plus laisser de messages sur votre forum (login bloqué), nous avons transmis ce message aux propriétaires de Elbe.
Donc il serait souhaitable de retirer votre phrase "not showing CzW-like mixes breeder", sous peine de poursuite à votre égard pour propos diffamatoire, puisqu’il vous est impossible de prouver le contraire.
De plus, il faut cesser de prendre des photos sur notre site sans notre autorisation et que vous n'attribuez pas au bon chien la plus part du temps !

Nous n'avons pas à nous justifier sur votre site et ce sera la dernière fois que j'interviendrai sur ce forum.

A bon entendeur,
M.Cabaret
Domaine de l’Ange Gardien de Faujus
www.langegardien.info

[Nebulosa]

Hi!
The DNA test proved that your Elbe is daughter of Yanatos and Asia, not that she is a purebreed, now the main question is if Yanatos is really a pure dog, for this we need to send the sample of Issar to this lab for a new DNA test.
Seems you're one more person who need to convince Edith from the kennel Crying Wolf to cooperate with this.
So far seems Edith is only telling that all the dogs are pure and that everything is all right, while she HIDE IN FEAR to send a simple sample of Issar. - if there are no problems, why fear so much a simple test?! -
If you have to blame someone, blame Edith.

[ArImInIuM]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Hi!
The DNA test proved that your Elbe is daughter of Yanatos and Asia, not that she is a purebreed, now the main question is if Yanatos is really a pure dog, for this we need to send the sample of Issar to this lab for a new DNA test.
Seems you're one more person who need to convince Edith from the kennel Crying Wolf to cooperate with this.
So far seems Edith is only telling that all the dogs are pure and that everything is all right, while she HIDE IN FEAR to send a simple sample of Issar. - if there are no problems, why fear so much a simple test?! -
If you have to blame someone, blame Edith.

it's so easy to hide his ignorance behind Edith, being given that you do not know ..... why are you so sure?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

it's so easy to hide his ignorance behind Edith, being given that you do not know ..... why are you so sure?

Because we have Saarloos-like pups in the litters which born exactly after Mijke bring an Red Saarloos called Dvorak to Edith, and thats why all the litters by Crying Wolf after the time of arrival of this Saarloos are marked as possible mixes on wolfdog.org database.
Before no one was blaming Edith for that as accidents can happen in the best kennels, till she started to REFUSE to help even the owner of the possible afected litters to clear the situation, meaning that she knows what happened and is trying to hide it.
If you want your dog be marked as pure dog, then now is much simpler as we know that the parents of Elbe are really her parents, you only need to ask the blood of Issar (who, so far I know, he is yet by Edith) for confirm if he is the real father.

[ArImInIuM]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Because we have Saarloos-like pups in the litters which born exactly after Mijke bring an Red Saarloos called Dvorak to Edith, and thats why all the litters by Crying Wolf after the time of arrival of this Saarloos are marked as possible mixes on wolfdog.org database.
Before no one was blaming Edith for that as accidents can happen in the best kennels, till she started to REFUSE to help even the owner of the possible afected litters to clear the situation, meaning that she knows what happened and is trying to hide it.
If you want your dog be marked as pure dog, then now is much simpler as we know that the parents of Elbe are really her parents, you only need to ask the blood of Issar (who, so far I know, he is yet by Edith) for confirm if he is the real father.

you say ........ you are sure ........... but in fact you know nothing ... your database is an accumulation of bad data, I take for example the inability of your moderator French who use their status to denigrate some of our breeders and our dogs, we can not be modérators and sellers without party against just you, on condition of anonymity you hide behind an invisible barrier to destroy the work of some without feelings.
just look at the French forum dying because your moderators are disseminators of gossip, do not hesitate to tackle some breeders, but "protect" their contacts friends, there are dozens of errors on which you do not even ask not an eye, you trust incompetent plus months progressed, more errors are glaring, but you do nothing, you steal information, if you do not you invent, you disclose personal information without authorization, malgrés our constant demands to remove them, I call this a dictatorship, we are just owners, but we do not have the information, our addresses, our phone numbers are accessible without permits, and this is not normal ! when you give evidence, you think of others, I continue??

therefore, you have lost the eyes of many breeders all credibility, even though you had a wonderful working tool in the world, you go for simple lovers, governed by some breeders well established, here's what it said WD.
to the wise ....

[admin]

Originally Posted by ArImInIuM

therefore, you have lost the eyes of many breeders all credibility, even though you had a wonderful working tool in the world, you go for simple lovers, governed by some breeders well established, here's what it said WD.
to the wise ....

I think the main problem is not Wolfdog.org and the database but the situation in France. There are no doubts that many of the French Wolfdogs are not purebreed dogs anymore and that there are many "CsWs" with cheated pedigrees. More and more French dogs do not even resemble CsW. At the same time it is visible that the French Kennel Club is doing nothing to solve this problem.

It is the reason why more and more breeders and owners ask as to ban whole French population of CsW arguing that French pedigress do not have any value and nobody can be sure while using dogs bred in FR that the puppies will be a pure CsWs.

Of course we can follow their wishes and ban ALL French dogs. But we decided to make something else - all problematic lines are marked. We will try to "clean" them using the DNA tests. But till it will be done the owners and breeders can see which lines are "problematic" and they can decide if they will risk by breeding the dogs or if they will wait till it will be known for sure that they are purebreed (or mixes).

[admin]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Seems you're one more person who need to convince Edith from the kennel Crying Wolf to cooperate with this.

The owner of Issar is Soňa Bognárová from Slovakia. It would be enough if she would send the blood of Issar to the Antagene laboratory and all the "Y"-Crying Wolf dogs owners would be able to check if their dogs were really sired by him and not by the red Saarloos. It would also automatically show if Yarl Yanatos is son of Issar...

Edith's help is not needed - it seems she want to hide the truth about origin of her litters. But it is not only her problem but also the problem of all Crying Wolf dog owners because nobody of them can be sure if they own CsW or Saarloos-CsW-crosses.
I hope that at least the problem of the "Y" litter Crying Wolf can be solved that way.

[ArImInIuM]

Originally Posted by Admin

The owner of Issar is Soňa Bognárová from Slovakia. It would be enough if she would send the blood of Issar to the Antagene laboratory and all the "Y"-Crying Wolf dogs owners would be able to check if their dogs were really sired by him and not by the red Saarloos. It would also automatically show if Yarl Yanatos is son of Issar...

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/5486

Edith's help is not needed - it seems she want to hide the truth about origin of her litters. But it is not only her problem but also the problem of all Crying Wolf dog owners because nobody of them can be sure if they own CsW or Saarloos-CsW-crosses.
I hope that at least the problem of the "Y" litter Crying Wolf can be solved that way.

if I understand well, you know the root of the problem .... Soňa Bognárová dog.
if this happens, you, who you say irreproachable, why do not you ask the different breed clubs to require a genetic test that woman?
thus, the light would be done on many surfaces (most of whom are in France, which would surely true pedigree of most of our dogs.
as an individual, we can not do individually, but to avoid many mistakes in the future would not it be easier for you to take things in hand?
I'm sure the people affected by this epidemic of "" MIX "" would be willing to support you, breeders or individuals.
there are many serious French breeders who suffer from this problematic.
if you have as much heart put the record straight on your database, it would be good to invest on your side also for better clarity

to the wise