Wolfdogs with fake FCI pedigrees in Italy

[Martab]

Originally Posted by Navarre

members of breeding committee that breed with Mutaras with faked pedigree.
After that the club may have the legitimacy to ask something to their members or to ENCI.

This is your point of view, but I don't agree with it
What I know is that they have normal LIR (RSR), and not fake pedigrees...but you were in the Club when this Mutara thing happened, not me...we already had this discussion in Italian forum and I don't believe it's of any use repeating it here

I can only answer for myself and for what I know NOW is happening in the Italian Club. Not more than that.
The Club IS activating for this problem. This is a matter of fact and is written in the boards of directors meetings minutes.
This is what I said. Simple.
You believe that the Club MUST take actions according to a certain sequence of steps you decided? Ok, that's your point of view.
But this doesn't mean that the Club is not doing what I said and hereby confirm. Fact. Not opinions.

[Navarre]

Ok, so stranger faked pedigree is BAD and italian faked pedigree is GOOD ?
Stranger MIX are bad and italian MIX are good ?


I don't know anything of DNA tests, but If breeders agree, I think should be easy to establish a relationship between official Mutaras offspring like Fenrir and so called "RSR pedigree" csw (Alaska) used by Passo del Lupo...

p.s.
as I said to you in ita forum, Susanna leaved the board of cclc many months before the Mutaras came to Italy.

[Jal]

Facts? ... Want to talk about facts?
So I would like a little clarification. and take a step back.
we are talking about legal or illegal market? (Easily traceable thanks to the squawking of Facebook....)
Everything becomes easier once clarified this detail.
because then the words CITES and Authority recover their true meaning...

[admin]

Originally Posted by Jal

Facts? ... Want to talk about facts?
So I would like a little clarification. and take a step back.
we are talking about legal or illegal market? (Easily traceable thanks to the squawking of Facebook....)
Everything becomes easier once clarified this detail.
because then the words CITES and Authority recover their true meaning...

I not very familiar with the Italian case but I think:

a- none of the Mutara breeders should be part of the breeding commission by the CsW Club.
REASON: breeding Mutaras with CsW pedigrees shows that that people have no BASIC knowledge about this breed. As they have no knowledge about CsW they should not have ANY influence on the breeding in Italy. Because all they can teach other breeders is: HOW TO DESTROY OUR BREED.

b- I checked and it seems all Italian Mutaras are kept illegal - with violation of the European Union law. So if ENCI or Italian Club do not want to clarify this case maybe the Italian officials responsible to keeping to the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora will be willing to help?