Breeding with dysplatic dogs - Page 2

Juniorwolf · 01-12-2009, 00:59

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Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Are you a vet? With FCI aproovement to make the official x-rays evaluation?

Did you read my post at all ???
If you did would have been reading this : I am not an expert, but I have seen the x-rays with my own eyes.

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Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Rolf, I don't write about result what I THINK she has. But result that she HAS. And the Czech Breeding comittee will confirm that the CZECH result of Upstream is HD-D(3/3).

I find this very funny

what you are saying is that your trust in someone makes it a fact, even that you did not see it your self ? so if someone who you trust is telling you that the earth is flat like a pancake, it is a fact because you trust this person

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Originally Posted by z Peronówki

Wait - here you have it:
It is about her results.

I do read Czech, but thanks anyway

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Originally Posted by z Peronówki

The person who told it is the president of the Czech Club. For me a person who we can trust... At last I do...

I have never claimed that Alexa is`nt telling the truth in this case or that Api does`nt have official HD D results from Czech, but I`ll tell you what I really don`t believe and that is, that two vets can make such big difference in the results on the same dog, unless one of them made a mistake !
...and because I have seen the x-rays with my OWN eyes I can confidently say that Api do NOT have HD D.

If you choose to believe one vet. over the other, this is your problem, but I could rightfully ask if YOU have some kind of education or FCI aproovement to decide which vet. is correct and which is wrong ?

Because on the pedigrees(Czech pedigrees) of both of my dogs who are sons of Api, it says that Api have HD B and not HD D

Navarre · 01-12-2009, 01:52

What friendships ! I feel that Christmas is coming

I agree with Margo : everyone said that in their own country the vets that evaluate HD are better than in other Countries...

I can speak only of Italy : hd evaluation often is accurate but in some cases if you "know" right people, your bad HD may should become far better

But is very simple to silence the gossips if I want to : make available a scan copy of x-rays to everybody, together with protocol.

If someone should speak bad words about my dogs I will do this

Juniorwolf · 01-12-2009, 02:22

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Originally Posted by Navarre

But is very simple to silence the gossips if I want to : make available a scan copy of x-rays to everybody, together with protocol.

I don`t know how this works in other countries, but in Denmark it is not possible to get the x-rays or the protocol ...not even a copy !
All the owners get is the final result.

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Originally Posted by Navarre

If someone should speak bad words about my dogs I will do this

I guess that some people would`nt have anything else to do, if they had to answer/disproove all ridicules accusations

...if someone is stupide enough to believe in rumors who can not be prooved, it is really their problem, nobody elses !!!

michaelundinaeichhorn · 01-12-2009, 10:22

Dear Monika,

I also would like to invite you kindly to tell us everything Ina already asked for.
But let me ask you another question.
And I want you to answer honestly, without your usual lies.
Why was Upstream evaluated in Italy ( I don't want to blame the Italian veterinarian system ) after she was evaluated D (3/3) in your country?
Was something wrong with the pictures or didn't you like the vet?
The way we handle it if something seems wrong with the x-ray pictures, is to make new pictures and get an expert witness.
If it's still the same which is most likely, that's it!
We don't travel to countries like let's say Moldavia ( don't take it personal you Moldavians) to get a new and better hip score...
Which is not allowed by German Kennel Club anyway.

Michael

michaelundinaeichhorn · 01-12-2009, 16:21

Monika,

still waiting for your answer my dear.

Michael

Nebulosa · 01-12-2009, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Monika

Margo, Anita and admin without name: greate statistic, but you forget wrote here how many z Peronowki was made in Poland??? :0)
how many in Brazil...Spain :0)) And how many in CZ ??? :0))

As owner of Jezebeth z Peronowki, the dog which was his results made in Brazil, I hope you have no problems with the reliability our results.

z Peronówki · 01-12-2009, 18:34

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Monika,

still waiting for your answer my dear.

Michael

Just wait - one will come soon from Monika... it will start:
"Margo, Anita, Michael, Ina and admin without name...."

Pavel · 02-12-2009, 10:53

My short notice to this hot thema :

Problem with HD results from different countries is basicaly in not comparable valuation. Most countries have only 5 grades
A, B, C, D, E) and short descriptions (normal, borderline, mild, moderate, severe). Internationally is no described, whats means the descriptions. When is it e.g. "mild" and " when already "moderate" ? And is not only this problem. Some countries have totally different system and grades. So that is practically not possible to compare the results from different countries. More about it on http://www.grsk.org (in german language only).

01-12-2009, 01:52	#22
Navarre VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Roma Posts: 5,998	What friendships ! I feel that Christmas is coming I agree with Margo : everyone said that in their own country the vets that evaluate HD are better than in other Countries... I can speak only of Italy : hd evaluation often is accurate but in some cases if you "know" right people, your bad HD may should become far better But is very simple to silence the gossips if I want to : make available a scan copy of x-rays to everybody, together with protocol. If someone should speak bad words about my dogs I will do this __________________ Susanna & Gianluca & Andrea & Navarre & Isabeau & Brandimarte & Anastasia & Lana Last Navarre & Beau Isabeau

01-12-2009, 10:22	#24
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Dear Monika, I also would like to invite you kindly to tell us everything Ina already asked for. But let me ask you another question. And I want you to answer honestly, without your usual lies. Why was Upstream evaluated in Italy ( I don't want to blame the Italian veterinarian system ) after she was evaluated D (3/3) in your country? Was something wrong with the pictures or didn't you like the vet? The way we handle it if something seems wrong with the x-ray pictures, is to make new pictures and get an expert witness. If it's still the same which is most likely, that's it! We don't travel to countries like let's say Moldavia ( don't take it personal you Moldavians) to get a new and better hip score... Which is not allowed by German Kennel Club anyway. Michael

01-12-2009, 16:21	#25
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Monika, still waiting for your answer my dear. Michael

02-12-2009, 10:53	#28
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	My short notice to this hot thema : Problem with HD results from different countries is basicaly in not comparable valuation. Most countries have only 5 grades A, B, C, D, E) and short descriptions (normal, borderline, mild, moderate, severe). Internationally is no described, whats means the descriptions. When is it e.g. "mild" and " when already "moderate" ? And is not only this problem. Some countries have totally different system and grades. So that is practically not possible to compare the results from different countries. More about it on http://www.grsk.org (in german language only).