DM transmission: DM/DM x DM/DM = N/DM?

Lorry - MLS · 02-08-2011, 12:33

J'avais promis la transparence.... en voici un nouvel exemple, avec le retour de la preuve de parenté d'une jeune chienne testée N/DM alors qu'elle a ses 2 parents N/N !

La mère est une chienne de mon affixe (c'est d'ailleurs pour celà que je me permets d'en parler ouvertement) : Dheer'Sybb M.L.S (testée 2 fois de suite et revenue 2 fois de suite N/N
Le père est Cosmo Daniel Elite, testé lui aussi N/N

Leur fille est bel et bien leur fille et pourtant testée N/DM !

Pour rappel, Dheer'Sybb est la "fameuse" fille de Sibir Crying Wolf, revenue 2 fois N/N, alors que son père est DM/DM (testé par Daniela, en Tchéquie)

Alors, je veux bien lire "ce n'est pas possible !" mais dans ce cas là qu'on me donne une explication sur la crédibilité de cette impossibilité, alors même que c'est tout de même le 4ème cas relevé !

Je tiens à présicer qu'on ne s'amuse pas à dépenser de l'argent dans des tests de filiation ou de dépistage ou (re)vérification, pour le simple plaisir, ensuite de les fausser ....
Alors merci d'éviter les sous entendus de "miracle" et Cie !

jmvdwiel · 02-08-2011, 21:33

I don't believe in miracle's, to many are happening.

Could it be (sorry if I offend you Daniela) that the test that Daniela is using is not the right test? If they say that they are using the right test, than they should look at this problem, because this simply should not happen with dna results.

Are you really sure that the rigt blood from the right dog was used? was the microship checked by te vet etc......
Where the parenting test and the DM test done with the same vial of blood?

Sorry that I have so many questions... but this is questionalbe , I hope somebody has the answers on this matter.

greeting Judith

Nebulosa · 03-08-2011, 00:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorry - LMS

Pour rappel, Dheer'Sybb est la "fameuse" fille de Sibir Crying Wolf, revenue 2 fois N/N, alors que son père est DM/DM (testé par Daniela, en Tchéquie)

Provavelmente o mesmo teste não funcione em mestiços.

massimo · 03-08-2011, 13:05

I have a different question .... are these cases happening ONLY to dogs coming from Lorry's Kennel or also to dogs coming from other kennels? it seems that a bit of investigation could be useful.

For Daniela: can you verify paternity of DNA samples given to you when they do not have correct correspondance in terms of DMA?
I dont believe in miracles...but i believe even less that DNA tests are wrong...

michaelundinaeichhorn · 03-08-2011, 16:20

And I have the question which labs have done the tests, was it only Danielas lab or also others?

Ina

Mikael · 05-08-2011, 23:48

I have noticed through the years that the easiest questions are the hardest ones to answer :0/ Hmmmm… And I really wounder way ???

Best regards / Mikael

CDaniela · 07-08-2011, 09:42

If you have a problem, you send me the blood (not buccal swab) of both parents and children.
I'll test paternity and DM - both from one DNA isolation. Another way to know the truth does not exist.

jmvdwiel · 07-08-2011, 10:46

My offer to you(lorry) can be to draw the blood for free, when I come back from my trip to spain that would be around the 19th of october.

And Daniela that is a greet offer made by you. So hopefully this wil bring some answers to this matter.

greetings Judth

massimo · 07-08-2011, 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDaniela

If you have a problem, you send me the blood (not buccal swab) of both parents and children.
I'll test paternity and DM - both from one DNA isolation. Another way to know the truth does not exist.

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking of...

If Daniela has blood of both parents and puppies, she can make DMA and DNA test.
As I said i do not believe in miracles, and I believe that it is impossible that the DMA of father is DM/DM and son is N/N, one of them must be wrong, or the father is not the real father!!
massimo

02-08-2011, 12:33	#1
Lorry - MLS Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 988	J'avais promis la transparence.... en voici un nouvel exemple, avec le retour de la preuve de parenté d'une jeune chienne testée N/DM alors qu'elle a ses 2 parents N/N ! La mère est une chienne de mon affixe (c'est d'ailleurs pour celà que je me permets d'en parler ouvertement) : Dheer'Sybb M.L.S (testée 2 fois de suite et revenue 2 fois de suite N/N Le père est Cosmo Daniel Elite, testé lui aussi N/N Leur fille est bel et bien leur fille et pourtant testée N/DM ! Pour rappel, Dheer'Sybb est la "fameuse" fille de Sibir Crying Wolf, revenue 2 fois N/N, alors que son père est DM/DM (testé par Daniela, en Tchéquie) Alors, je veux bien lire "ce n'est pas possible !" mais dans ce cas là qu'on me donne une explication sur la crédibilité de cette impossibilité, alors même que c'est tout de même le 4ème cas relevé ! Je tiens à présicer qu'on ne s'amuse pas à dépenser de l'argent dans des tests de filiation ou de dépistage ou (re)vérification, pour le simple plaisir, ensuite de les fausser .... Alors merci d'éviter les sous entendus de "miracle" et Cie ! __________________ Les éléments présents sur la BD de WD, concernant mes chiens / ma production, sont en grande partie erronés. Pour obtenir de vraies informations, il est plus sage de me contacter directement .....

03-08-2011, 13:05	#4
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	I have a different question .... are these cases happening ONLY to dogs coming from Lorry's Kennel or also to dogs coming from other kennels? it seems that a bit of investigation could be useful. For Daniela: can you verify paternity of DNA samples given to you when they do not have correct correspondance in terms of DMA? I dont believe in miracles...but i believe even less that DNA tests are wrong... __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

05-08-2011, 23:48	#6
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	I have noticed through the years that the easiest questions are the hardest ones to answer :0/ Hmmmm… And I really wounder way ??? Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

07-08-2011, 09:42	#7
CDaniela http://www.srdcervac.wbs. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Unhošť - Nouzov Posts: 1,313	If you have a problem, you send me the blood (not buccal swab) of both parents and children. I'll test paternity and DM - both from one DNA isolation. Another way to know the truth does not exist. __________________ Daniela

02-08-2011, 21:33	#2
jmvdwiel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,061	I don't believe in miracle's, to many are happening. Could it be (sorry if I offend you Daniela) that the test that Daniela is using is not the right test? If they say that they are using the right test, than they should look at this problem, because this simply should not happen with dna results. Are you really sure that the rigt blood from the right dog was used? was the microship checked by te vet etc...... Where the parenting test and the DM test done with the same vial of blood? Sorry that I have so many questions... but this is questionalbe , I hope somebody has the answers on this matter. greeting Judith

03-08-2011, 16:20	#5
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	And I have the question which labs have done the tests, was it only Danielas lab or also others? Ina

07-08-2011, 10:46	#8
jmvdwiel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,061	My offer to you(lorry) can be to draw the blood for free, when I come back from my trip to spain that would be around the 19th of october. And Daniela that is a greet offer made by you. So hopefully this wil bring some answers to this matter. greetings Judth