Calling all owners of CWD in the UK...

[Shoshone]

I would like to say that I own Princess De Aube @ Pacino.
I was very offended that someone could judge how well socialised my bitch is.
Princess known as Cito at home is a very well balanced Czw she has been to many small local and family dog shows here in the uk.
We attend horse show pony sales and street markets,Cito also goes to dog training.
We are also very proud to say that Cito past the test and was granted a place to be a pets at theropy dog at a very young age.
I have written permission from my council to own my Czw's and my Saarloos so I have NO reason what so ever to hide my dog.
Please be more carefull to have the full facts before making such a statement in future about one of my dogs.

[tikaani]

i have met princess and cito and to tell the truth i couldnt of met two nicer dogs, i was aloud to play with them and at no time were they shy or nasty towards me, i intend goin to see them again real soon as i liked them so much. unless people have met them they shouldnt coment on there temperment i think...

[tikaani]

wow sounds like im the luckyist person goin then. i got a pup from andre and iv had no problems so far, i have a five year old doughter and they get on great and the pup goes outside to the toilet, if the door is shut she goes on some paper by the back door, no problems eatin ither, she tried chewin things but i told her no and pushed her away, now she dont do it anymore. she likes to play roughf with my uther too dogs but there carfull with her. i think the roughf play helps as it tieres the pup out... thanks andre for such a lovely pup......

[loup-de-bretagne]

Hi!

I would like to hear from all owners of pure-bred CWD who live with their dogs in the UK. I have written an article for a UK dog magazine about wolf look-a-like dogs and would like a few comments from owners of genuine CWD explaining what they like about the breed.

I have confirmation from DEFRA that CWD and Saarloos do not need to be licenced and with this in mind if there are more than 10 CWD in the UK the Kennel Club may consider recognition.

Best wishes,

Loup-de-Bretagne

[Rona]

Hi,
Just a piece of friendly advice: be careful about CSV owners who reply to your request. I trust there are honest CSV owners in the UK, but several (naturally not all) who have been writing here are somewhow obssessed with mixing wolf-resembling breeds, involved in suspicious businesses and other activities that would eventually lead to the destruction of the CSV breed.

As far as I know they represent neither the views and intentions of people who are responsible for the breed (i.e. breeders), nor of any official, recognized by FCI, CSV breed clubs, nor of the breed lovers who trully care for it.

Rgds
Rona

[loup-de-bretagne]

Thanks Rona,

Yes I am aware of the situation in the UK and I have had dealings with some people of very doubtful intentions! I believe there are a few genuine CWD in the UK and would like to point this out in an the article. The article will also try and differentiate between the cross-breeds and the pedigree CWD and Saarloos.

As it is now clearly legal to own these two wolfdog breeds, it is up to the genuine breed enthusiasts to form a club, keep proper records and with the help of the breed clubs in Europe and the FCI to have the breeds recognised by the UK Kennel Club, otherwise the Uk will remain a disaster area for all wolfdogs.

I have also met some owners of the cross breeds and can say not all are bad people and the dogs are very friendly, though I understand the fears of CWD owners who live outside the UK who think these cross bred dogs may be mis-represented as the real breed. I am also aware of rumours that CWD are being crossed with timber wolves; these dogs are NOT legal in the UK.
Best wishes,

Loup-de-Bretagne

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by loup-de-bretagne

Thanks Rona,

Yes I am aware of the situation in the UK and I have had dealings with some people of very doubtful intentions! I believe there are a few genuine CWD in the UK and would like to point this out in an the article. The article will also try and differentiate between the cross-breeds and the pedigree CWD and Saarloos.

As it is now clearly legal to own these two wolfdog breeds, it is up to the genuine breed enthusiasts to form a club, keep proper records and with the help of the breed clubs in Europe and the FCI to have the breeds recognised by the UK Kennel Club, otherwise the Uk will remain a disaster area for all wolfdogs.

I have also met some owners of the cross breeds and can say not all are bad people and the dogs are very friendly, though I understand the fears of CWD owners who live outside the UK who think these cross bred dogs may be mis-represented as the real breed. I am also aware of rumours that CWD are being crossed with timber wolves; these dogs are NOT legal in the UK.
Best wishes,

Loup-de-Bretagne

hi, yes i also recived a letter from defra saying that were aloud CWD, and Sarloos dogs without a licence, i must say its a breath of fresh air to be able not to have to worrie about having my dog taken of me, its about time I have a pure CWD and i couldnt be happier

[loup-de-bretagne]

Hi Tikaani,

Thanks for your reply, may I ask how long you have had your dog/bitch or how old he/she is? Also what attracted you to the breed and what do you like most about the breed?

Best wishes

Loup-de-bretagne

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by loup-de-bretagne

Hi!

I would like to hear from all owners of pure-bred CWD who live with their dogs in the UK. I have written an article for a UK dog magazine about wolf look-a-like dogs and would like a few comments from owners of genuine CWD explaining what they like about the breed.

I have confirmation from DEFRA that CWD and Saarloos do not need to be licenced and with this in mind if there are more than 10 CWD in the UK the Kennel Club may consider recognition.

Best wishes,

Loup-de-Bretagne

hi, Defra have excepted the Czechoslovakian wolfdog and the Saarloos with out licence, in fact you can now keep any wolfdog that is F3 and beyond without a licence, my husband has worked hard for this and it is now law in uk. there are 28 pure bred CWD in uk. two litters bred by my husband and I and one by our friend, we are now applying to kennel club to get our registration papers back for our first litter and for the second to be registered, we have 7 PURE CWD from our breedings and no matter what you hear about us regarding cross breeding is completely untrue, my husband could get £1500 for the use of male CWD at stud and has always refused. he stopped breeding programe for CWD as they refused to recognise the breed, but now we will restart with friends from Europe, there are breeders of cross bred CWD in u.k but it is purely for money, both my litters where sired by dogs from Europe and both litters the owners of the stud dogs will confirm this, the people selling and breeding crossbreeds openly advertise on online sites, you will not see any of our dogs in these adverts. it will all backfire on these people now as you can now own a pure bred CWD in uk so soon the cross breeders will be out of buisness. we also hope to have the CWD at discover dogs at crufts, it is now good for all CACIB winners in Europe as you can now bring your dogs to crufts and really let the breed be seen. thank you for your time regards mandy and paul winder BREEDERS OF PURE BRED CWD and soon with K.C. REGISTRATIONS...............

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by solowolf

there are 28 pure bred CWD in uk. two litters bred by my husband and I and one by our friend, we are now applying to kennel club to get our registration papers back for our first litter and for the second to be registered, we have 7 PURE CWD from our breedings

I am very curious who the 28 CSWs are in the UK (even if they are not officially registered yet). I believe sometime back you also said you sold some dogs to the US - I'd be interested in knowing where and who those dogs are as well.

Thank you.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Dear Mr. Winder,

if you would be able to read you would realize that I never wrote that your purebred CSW weren´t purebred. They origin of a breeder you yourself announced as a cheater but that´s your problem not mine.

But you yourself have on your own website as your latest litter a litter crossed between Timberwolf-female Kizzy and CSW Male Solo or the informations on your own site are lies. One of these puppies obviously went to Germany. It also isn´t my problem when you can´t realize that the FCI-practice of phenotype registration involves the problem that mixes come into breeding as CSW. Together with the usual wolfcross-problems.

Some time ago when I complained about DEFRA an English friend of mine, knowing the English dogworld more than well, told me that I should be happy the breed won´t fall into hands of English breeders. I thought at that time he was wrong. Today I know he was more than right about that.

You don´t need to anwer I am really no longer interested in any of your opinions or especially statements. The latter seem to be wrong much too often for my taste.

Ina

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by loup-de-bretagne

Hi!

I would like to hear from all owners of pure-bred CWD who live with their dogs in the UK. I have written an article for a UK dog magazine about wolf look-a-like dogs and would like a few comments from owners of genuine CWD explaining what they like about the breed.

I have confirmation from DEFRA that CWD and Saarloos do not need to be licenced and with this in mind if there are more than 10 CWD in the UK the Kennel Club may consider recognition.

Best wishes,

Loup-de-Bretagne

hate to be rude but what dog magazine are you writing this article for? as iv just had a good point brought up to me by some one, i would like to know what dog mag and what the article is going to be about as i wouldnt want to put any info in it if it was going to do be against the CWD. so if you can please tell us a bit more about it, what mag etc im sure we would be happy to help, thank

[loup-de-bretagne]

I am out of time with this one so I will not waste any more of anyones time. Since I started researching this article I have been called names, had suspicious emails and interviewed a CWD owner who turned out to be abusing their dog (now deleted). In fact the only professional and courtious help came from two breeders of the cross breeds.

I will have to admit that as the owner of two wolfdogs myself I find this worrying. Are all wolfdog owners so petty? Other dog owners seem to manage to get along just fine. In my working life I have had to deal with all sorts of people but wolfdog people seem to take the biscuit.

Loup-de-bretagne

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by loup-de-bretagne

I am out of time with this one so I will not waste any more of anyones time. Since I started researching this article I have been called names, had suspicious emails and interviewed a CWD owner who turned out to be abusing their dog (now deleted). In fact the only professional and courtious help came from two breeders of the cross breeds.

I will have to admit that as the owner of two wolfdogs myself I find this worrying. Are all wolfdog owners so petty? Other dog owners seem to manage to get along just fine. In my working life I have had to deal with all sorts of people but wolfdog people seem to take the biscuit.

Loup-de-bretagne

thats a shame, i would of been willing to help but would of liked a bit of info back first, as u are aware, we have had a lot of problems getting the breed recognised over here and if some one is going to do an article on CWD we just want to make sure its for the good of the breed, i hope u all ther sucsess for the article anyway.... what mag is it going in? as i would like to see it when it comes out

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by loup-de-bretagne

I am out of time with this one so I will not waste any more of anyones time. Since I started researching this article I have been called names, had suspicious emails and interviewed a CWD owner who turned out to be abusing their dog (now deleted). In fact the only professional and courtious help came from two breeders of the cross breeds.

I will have to admit that as the owner of two wolfdogs myself I find this worrying. Are all wolfdog owners so petty? Other dog owners seem to manage to get along just fine. In my working life I have had to deal with all sorts of people but wolfdog people seem to take the biscuit.

Loup-de-bretagne

hi yes there are some very funny people who take the Pi.s on this site, the CWD are all fine in uk, and we will have our registrations very soon, people in uk have worked very hard, we have taken 6 yrs to get the law changed, but you still get people here taking the pis,, out of our unregistered dogs, there are 28 CWD in uk and all pure bred, all founder stock where imported from Europe, we do keep contact and will all gether at crufts this year, point is there are people who dont want this reed in uk, i dont think i need to mention them as i am sure you know, sorry people can not be more nice to you but this is life on this site, i told this site i dont have CWD, infact i have 7 pure bred CWD , I have no cross bred CWD as i am totaly against it, and i have good people from all over europe that know me and visit my home to see my dogs, as i visit them in summer months, so the breed is doing well, i myself have seen some cross bred dogs that look o.k. and have good temperaments, but what other people do i am not accountable for. I to write articles on the breed in uk mags, good luck with your article regards paul winder, any time in uk calls us..

[bengan]

Originally Posted by solowolf

hi yes there are some very funny people who take the Pi.s on this site, the CWD are all fine in uk, and we will have our registrations very soon, people in uk have worked very hard, we have taken 6 yrs to get the law changed, but you still get people here taking the pis,, out of our unregistered dogs, there are 28 CWD in uk and all pure bred, all founder stock where imported from Europe, we do keep contact and will all gether at crufts this year, point is there are people who dont want this reed in uk, i dont think i need to mention them as i am sure you know, sorry people can not be more nice to you but this is life on this site, i told this site i dont have CWD, infact i have 7 pure bred CWD , I have no cross bred CWD as i am totaly against it, and i have good people from all over europe that know me and visit my home to see my dogs, as i visit them in summer months, so the breed is doing well, i myself have seen some cross bred dogs that look o.k. and have good temperaments, but what other people do i am not accountable for. I to write articles on the breed in uk mags, good luck with your article regards paul winder, any time in uk calls us..

Boy I wish you could get your story straight.. getting really hard to believe anything..
first you said you don't have any CDW.. now you say you do..you say now that you are against any crossbreeding.. however..
one of you earlier statements..
"i say i did not, now you say i breed wolf hybrids, no the correct word is wolfdogs , have i ever said that i dont breed wolfdog of different percentages NO i havnt, but if i breed wolfdogs of whatever percentage one thing i do not do IS SELL OR REGISTER THEM AS CSW AS YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUT, what i breed is none of your business, people are changing in europe to different wolfdogs any idea why"

and you are "totaly against" cross breeding..it's not what it sounds like..
anyways.. it's none of my business.. or anyone but yours.. right..?
Bengan

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Why did you do that?

Michael

i tell people i have sold my CWD because certain peopleon this site say i cross bred with other breeds and now wolf, my dogs are all pure bred cwd and i am not responsable for those in uk who have cross bred, other people have imported CWD to uk over the years, i have bred 2 litters in 7 yrs, the second was bred to let me have young stock for the future nothing more, the kennel club will register our dogs very soon i am doing all the paperwork for this now, but to register a CWD in uk you will have to come via the club first so any cross bred dogs will be pulled out and not recieve pedigrees, we know where all the pure bred dogs are in uk, so as i have said on many occasions the CWD are ok in u.k., mandy

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by loup-de-bretagne

Hi!
I would like to hear from all owners of pure-bred CWD who live with their dogs in the UK. ......
................Loup-de-Bretagne

Sorry the discussion went that way, but it is better to start a game with open cards.
Especially if the situation is not quite easy as it still seems in the UK.
So I hope you excuse the "open" questions to certain persons who claim knowing the breed and being beeder of CSW's.
By the way, me and my friend Peter Neville wrote already an article in "Dogs Today" on one of my first wolfdogs called Kanto od Pavlisina back in 1995.
If you like I can send it to you.

Michael

[wolfeywolf]

I think I read that one in Dog Today Magazine. Was he quite dominant with your partner and wouldn't let her to bed? (Trying to remeber it lol)

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by solowolf

i told this site i dont have CWD, infact i have 7 pure bred CWD

Why did you do that?

Michael