When a dwarf is born

mijke · 08-02-2010, 21:32

Can anybody translate this topic in your language?
Thanks in advance!

Pituitary dwarfism exists also in CsW breed and we know several dwarfs in different countries from different lines.

In other topics on wolfdog I did give info about this disease and the possibility of a test for pituitary dwarfism. http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10756

When a CsW is carrier it is not any problem, this dog will not get pituitary dwarfism.
You also can breed without problems, you only have to make a combination with a Free dog and no dwarfs will be born.

But because yet only a few CsW's are tested, still dwarfs will be born.
So I also will give some info for owners and breeders of dwarfs.

When a dwarf is born an owner/breeder can think about a few options:

Keep it yourself without treatment
Keep it yourself with treatment (and you have to find a university or well specialized vet who can measure hormone values and who has the possibility to give thyroxine and p GH)
Euthanize the dwarf in the country of your own when the dwarf becomes ill and suffers
Euthanize the dwarf in Holland (The university did ask me to tell you all this option too).
Adoption in Holland by the new Dutch Dwarfism Foundation where a dwarf can get treatment

About medication for a dwarf:
Any defect in the development of the pituitary gland causes a lack in producing hormones. And most dogs with pituitary dwarfism has a lack of these hormones GH, TSH, PRL, FSH, LH, ACTH.
That is why a dog with Pituitary Dwarfism have to be treated with a combination of GH (grow hormone) and thyroid hormone.
But it is not possible to treat a dwarf with canine GH, because it is not available for medical use.

But porcine GH (of pigs) is identical to canine GH, and a good alternative for treatment.
I don't know if porcine GH is available in other countries

About dwarfs without treatment:
Some dwarfs without treatment can become between 4 and 5 year old. But there is a huge individual difference.
Because some dwarfs still produces a bit of GH of their own!
And their prognoses also it depends of how their kidneys were developed because of this.
Because the progression of kidney failure is also important for the age a dwarf can reach.
The Dutch university did even know a dwarf that did become 10 years old without treatment, because his kidneys did function (because of his own producing of GH) His only problems were bold skin and skin inflammation.
So nobody can ever predict what age an individual dwarf can reach.

About treatment:
The Dutch university knows after years of research that giving a combination of thyroid hormone in combination with porcine pGH is giving good results.
With giving the pGH in the first year they stimulate the kidneys of a dwarf to develop in a normal way.
They did find out that start with giving pGH after the first year did not have any results and influence on the kidneys anymore.
And when the kidneys did not develop (and grow)the first year in the right way, this cannot be treated anymore with medicines. (The lack of development of kidneys causes a lot of problems for dwarfs)
So the Dutch university only starts with treating very young dwarfs with giving pGH in combination with thyorid hormone.

About the research:
The Dutch university is still doing research about treatment and the development of the dwarfs. And so they treat dwarfs of some breeds on this moment.
But for their research they also need pituitary's of dwarfs, so they can do more investigation of the dwarf process and see what is exactly going wrong in the pituitary.
And this research of pituitary's can be a great help for dwarfs (and human) in future.
And that is why they did ask me to ask all owners of dwarfs to help them also with this research.
So when you dwarf is very ill and you have to make sad decisions or consider to euthanatize, please contact me!
And we can also speak about the possibilities to euthanatize in the Dutch university (because then your dwarf can also be great help for other dwarfs)

About adoption and treatment in Holland
Last month the Dutch Dwarf foundation "Saartje" was founded. This foundations will give info about dwarfism in dog breeds and the possibility of testing.
Besides this they also offer dwarf dogs a new home and treatment.
So an owner of a dwarf can donate the dwarf for free to the foundation. And the foundation will become the new owner of the dwarf and will take care for treatment and will pay for this.

I hope I could help dwarf owners/breeders a bit with all this info

When you still have questions, just contact me! [email protected]

Sirius · 08-02-2010, 21:43

Cribbio, non sapevo esistesse il nanismo anche nei cani.... post molto interessante, letto d'un fiato, non mi sento di tradurlo però.
Thank you Mijke

aly87 · 08-02-2010, 22:24

ho letto e capito sommariamente....non sono la persona adatta a tradurre...

Linuz · 08-02-2010, 23:01

Ma sono sofferenti? o possono vivere una vita normale da .... piccoli...

matteo&martina · 08-02-2010, 23:14

Credo che siano sofferenti... e che non abbiano una speranza di vita molto lunga..... questa è una di quelle problematiche genetiche gravi che viene troppo sottovalutata a mio avviso.....

sciamalaia · 08-02-2010, 23:24

Ragazzi, tocca a me il compito di tradurlo... Se faccio errori non vi inc@volate... Spero di farcela entro notte.

aly87 · 09-02-2010, 09:22

razie carlot!!
poverini....se almeno non soffrissero

Sirius · 09-02-2010, 10:26

Grazie Carlotta, speriamo che ne venga tenuto conto.

valentina · 09-02-2010, 11:00

ragazzi già stefano di tristan ne aveva parlato in una altro thread prendendo proprio la discussione dal forum estero, ricordo bene che ne avevamo parlato ampliamente
se lo trovo metto il link
sarebbe bello, unire le discussioni, in modo tale che abbiamo tutto in una!

valentina · 09-02-2010, 11:03

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11041

se ne era parlato qui

Martab · 09-02-2010, 11:12

Purtroppo ce ne sono eccome!

Io so di almeno due cucciolate che hanno dato questo problema, e uno l'avevo anche visto..povero piccolo, una bestiolina che ha tutti i problemi del mondo (displasia, non sente caldo e freddo, problemi al cuore, sordo), tenuto con tantissimo amore dal suo padrone che lo cura come un bimbo malato. Di solito muoiono molto giovani, quello che ho visto io era arrivato ai due anni mi pare..non so come stia adesso...

PS: grande Sciama traduttrice!

piccolino · 09-02-2010, 11:23

Anche da noi ci sono stati vari episodi di nanismo, ma ovviamente la cosa è rimasta "segreta". Bisogna parlarne e rendere tutti partecipi, DAL MOMENTO CHE ORMAI TUTTI FANNO RIPRODURRE IL PROPRIO CANE, sia di questo problema sia di altre malattie come per esempio quella di pasquale. So che ci sono vari cani con malattie autoimmuni all'apparato digerente, ma figuriamoci se qualcuno ne parla liberamente.

08-02-2010, 21:32	#1
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	When a dwarf is born Can anybody translate this topic in your language? Thanks in advance! Pituitary dwarfism exists also in CsW breed and we know several dwarfs in different countries from different lines. In other topics on wolfdog I did give info about this disease and the possibility of a test for pituitary dwarfism. http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10756 When a CsW is carrier it is not any problem, this dog will not get pituitary dwarfism. You also can breed without problems, you only have to make a combination with a Free dog and no dwarfs will be born. But because yet only a few CsW's are tested, still dwarfs will be born. So I also will give some info for owners and breeders of dwarfs. When a dwarf is born an owner/breeder can think about a few options: Keep it yourself without treatment Keep it yourself with treatment (and you have to find a university or well specialized vet who can measure hormone values and who has the possibility to give thyroxine and p GH) Euthanize the dwarf in the country of your own when the dwarf becomes ill and suffers Euthanize the dwarf in Holland (The university did ask me to tell you all this option too). Adoption in Holland by the new Dutch Dwarfism Foundation where a dwarf can get treatment About medication for a dwarf: Any defect in the development of the pituitary gland causes a lack in producing hormones. And most dogs with pituitary dwarfism has a lack of these hormones GH, TSH, PRL, FSH, LH, ACTH. That is why a dog with Pituitary Dwarfism have to be treated with a combination of GH (grow hormone) and thyroid hormone. But it is not possible to treat a dwarf with canine GH, because it is not available for medical use. But porcine GH (of pigs) is identical to canine GH, and a good alternative for treatment. I don't know if porcine GH is available in other countries About dwarfs without treatment: Some dwarfs without treatment can become between 4 and 5 year old. But there is a huge individual difference. Because some dwarfs still produces a bit of GH of their own! And their prognoses also it depends of how their kidneys were developed because of this. Because the progression of kidney failure is also important for the age a dwarf can reach. The Dutch university did even know a dwarf that did become 10 years old without treatment, because his kidneys did function (because of his own producing of GH) His only problems were bold skin and skin inflammation. So nobody can ever predict what age an individual dwarf can reach. About treatment: The Dutch university knows after years of research that giving a combination of thyroid hormone in combination with porcine pGH is giving good results. With giving the pGH in the first year they stimulate the kidneys of a dwarf to develop in a normal way. They did find out that start with giving pGH after the first year did not have any results and influence on the kidneys anymore. And when the kidneys did not develop (and grow)the first year in the right way, this cannot be treated anymore with medicines. (The lack of development of kidneys causes a lot of problems for dwarfs) So the Dutch university only starts with treating very young dwarfs with giving pGH in combination with thyorid hormone. About the research: The Dutch university is still doing research about treatment and the development of the dwarfs. And so they treat dwarfs of some breeds on this moment. But for their research they also need pituitary's of dwarfs, so they can do more investigation of the dwarf process and see what is exactly going wrong in the pituitary. And this research of pituitary's can be a great help for dwarfs (and human) in future. And that is why they did ask me to ask all owners of dwarfs to help them also with this research. So when you dwarf is very ill and you have to make sad decisions or consider to euthanatize, please contact me! And we can also speak about the possibilities to euthanatize in the Dutch university (because then your dwarf can also be great help for other dwarfs) About adoption and treatment in Holland Last month the Dutch Dwarf foundation "Saartje" was founded. This foundations will give info about dwarfism in dog breeds and the possibility of testing. Besides this they also offer dwarf dogs a new home and treatment. So an owner of a dwarf can donate the dwarf for free to the foundation. And the foundation will become the new owner of the dwarf and will take care for treatment and will pay for this. I hope I could help dwarf owners/breeders a bit with all this info When you still have questions, just contact me! [email protected] __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!

08-02-2010, 22:24	#3
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08-02-2010, 23:14	#5
matteo&martina www.cheopewolfdog.it Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pesaro Posts: 1,189	Credo che siano sofferenti... e che non abbiano una speranza di vita molto lunga..... questa è una di quelle problematiche genetiche gravi che viene troppo sottovalutata a mio avviso..... __________________ Marty&Matty&Aki www.akeomlupocecoslovacco.it Cheope

09-02-2010, 09:22	#7
aly87 & boschino Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: valdobbiadene (TV) Posts: 1,981	razie carlot!! poverini....se almeno non soffrissero __________________ Bosco dei Navarri & Aly

09-02-2010, 11:00	#9
valentina e la zecca Misha Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Trento Posts: 9,262	ragazzi già stefano di tristan ne aveva parlato in una altro thread prendendo proprio la discussione dal forum estero, ricordo bene che ne avevamo parlato ampliamente se lo trovo metto il link sarebbe bello, unire le discussioni, in modo tale che abbiamo tutto in una! __________________ Valentina & MISHA & ARES

08-02-2010, 21:43	#2
Sirius Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,863	Cribbio, non sapevo esistesse il nanismo anche nei cani.... post molto interessante, letto d'un fiato, non mi sento di tradurlo però. Thank you Mijke

08-02-2010, 23:01	#4
Linuz & Kazan... Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Abruzzo, Chieti Posts: 59	Ma sono sofferenti? o possono vivere una vita normale da .... piccoli...

08-02-2010, 23:24	#6
sciamalaia Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mestre Posts: 2,300	Ragazzi, tocca a me il compito di tradurlo... Se faccio errori non vi inc@volate... Spero di farcela entro notte.

09-02-2010, 10:26	#8
Sirius Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,863	Grazie Carlotta, speriamo che ne venga tenuto conto.

09-02-2010, 11:03	#10
valentina e la zecca Misha Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Trento Posts: 9,262	http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11041 se ne era parlato qui __________________ Valentina & MISHA & ARES

09-02-2010, 11:12	#11
Martab Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Verona Posts: 4,419	Purtroppo ce ne sono eccome! Io so di almeno due cucciolate che hanno dato questo problema, e uno l'avevo anche visto..povero piccolo, una bestiolina che ha tutti i problemi del mondo (displasia, non sente caldo e freddo, problemi al cuore, sordo), tenuto con tantissimo amore dal suo padrone che lo cura come un bimbo malato. Di solito muoiono molto giovani, quello che ho visto io era arrivato ai due anni mi pare..non so come stia adesso... PS: grande Sciama traduttrice! Last edited by Martab; 09-02-2010 at 11:29.

09-02-2010, 11:23	#12
piccolino Menopausa precoce Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bologna Posts: 1,387	Anche da noi ci sono stati vari episodi di nanismo, ma ovviamente la cosa è rimasta "segreta". Bisogna parlarne e rendere tutti partecipi, DAL MOMENTO CHE ORMAI TUTTI FANNO RIPRODURRE IL PROPRIO CANE, sia di questo problema sia di altre malattie come per esempio quella di pasquale. So che ci sono vari cani con malattie autoimmuni all'apparato digerente, ma figuriamoci se qualcuno ne parla liberamente.