Short coat defect

elf · 01-09-2010, 20:46

I would have a question about "short coat defect", dogs who stay like this the whole year:

How does the transmisson works ? Is it "revertable", if for exemple the dog stay outside in a cold winter (i.e. epigenetics transmisson) ?

Hanka · 02-09-2010, 06:11

This coat on photo is not so tragical, maybe is photo made in "summer coat". But you are right now we can see too much dogs with too short coat.

elf · 02-09-2010, 07:42

You're right, I wonder about dogs who show same coat also in winter. My dog shows this behaviour, almost same short coat in summer and winter ; the point is it did not append her first 2 years but only after. Winter are not terrible here (last year not less than -5°), and my dog never slept outside, I wonder what is just an adaptation and what is more like a defect/lost ability.

Silvester · 02-09-2010, 08:37

Originally posted by "elf":
"Winter are not terrible here (last year not less than -5°), and my dog never slept outside, I wonder what is just an adaptation and what is more like a defect/lost ability."

Well, i think you already gave the answer to yourself.

It has indeed to do with the circumstances you keep the dog - especially because you wrote this also:

Originally posted by "elf":
"...the point is it did not (h)append her first 2 years but only after. "

This shows that not the dog has lacked the ability to get a long winter coat but only has adapted to the conditions you keep him.

If you would keep him outside during the whole year most time and you would have more cold winter temperatures, i am sure your dog would get another time a fine long winter hair and coat.

Greetings , Silvester

z Peronówki · 02-09-2010, 10:39

It is one of "my" favourite topics as for many years our Polish dogs were blamed by some breeders from the origin countries for having "short coat"... No wonder - they really had short coat expecially when we presented them in the winter... The reason is not the genetic but the adaptation to the conditions... While (for example) the Czech dogs were sleeping in the kennels by -25° our dogs were spleeping at home by +25°. No wonder there was visible difference in the coat...

But it is not possible to explain it - some breeders do not get it because forthem it is still unimaginable that a dog can sleep at home.....

The adaptation to the conditions have VERY big influence on the coat. You can judge it only if you know where the dog is living. Because as I wrote - especially in the winter the difference can be huge.

BUT - you are right. There are dogs with (too) short coat. It is visible expecially now because there are some popular (nice) stud dog which unfortunately "give" VERY short coat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by elf

Is it "revertable", if for exemple the dog stay outside in a cold winter (i.e. epigenetics transmisson) ?

That the difference between standard and short coat. We made an experiment with Botis. He was the one of the 'coutch' dogs "blamed" for having short coat. He stayed for the whole winter in the kennel - believe me: I saw only few dog having so nice - long and thick - coat like him.

But there are dogs which have the same lenght of hair for the whole year. For sure you saw dogs which coat do not change. I saw some of such dogs in every country - if you put them into the kennels in the winter they will not get longer "wolfish" coat. They will be always shortcoated. But the quality of the coat will change - it will be VERY thick.

Mikael · 02-09-2010, 19:09

Here is one more coat test by miss Paula

>>> http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8369

Best regards / Mikael

Mikael · 02-09-2010, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

some breeders do not get it because for them it is still unimaginable that a dog can sleep at home.....

Yes and I think that was one of the reasan way the owner of Rasty was so happy for her to move to Sweden, now she sleeps in my bed

It´s very rear for dogs here to not sleep in the house

Best regards / Mikael

01-09-2010, 20:46	#1
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Short coat defect I would have a question about "short coat defect", dogs who stay like this the whole year: How does the transmisson works ? Is it "revertable", if for exemple the dog stay outside in a cold winter (i.e. epigenetics transmisson) ? __________________ http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...m/csvstat.html

02-09-2010, 07:42	#3
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	You're right, I wonder about dogs who show same coat also in winter. My dog shows this behaviour, almost same short coat in summer and winter ; the point is it did not append her first 2 years but only after. Winter are not terrible here (last year not less than -5°), and my dog never slept outside, I wonder what is just an adaptation and what is more like a defect/lost ability. __________________ http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...m/csvstat.html

02-09-2010, 08:37	#4
Silvester Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 369	Originally posted by "elf": "Winter are not terrible here (last year not less than -5°), and my dog never slept outside, I wonder what is just an adaptation and what is more like a defect/lost ability." Well, i think you already gave the answer to yourself. It has indeed to do with the circumstances you keep the dog - especially because you wrote this also: Originally posted by "elf": "...the point is it did not (h)append her first 2 years but only after. " This shows that not the dog has lacked the ability to get a long winter coat but only has adapted to the conditions you keep him. If you would keep him outside during the whole year most time and you would have more cold winter temperatures, i am sure your dog would get another time a fine long winter hair and coat. Greetings , Silvester Last edited by Silvester; 02-09-2010 at 08:39. Reason: Printing mistake

02-09-2010, 19:09	#6
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Here is one more coat test by miss Paula >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8369 Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

02-09-2010, 06:11	#2
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	This coat on photo is not so tragical, maybe is photo made in "summer coat". But you are right now we can see too much dogs with too short coat.