2nd bonitation in Belgium

Mirkawolf · 10-07-2008, 11:16

Hello everyone,

I´d like to announce that on 12th October 2008, club CSW Belgium will organise again bonitation and youth presentation in Glabbeek, Belgium.

The judge invited (and confirmed) is Jindrich Jedlicka, Czech specialist on the breed, former head advisor for the breed in CR, owner of kennel Seda Eminence. The bonitation and youth presentation will be run according to Czech rules of bonitation.

For more informations, inscription forms and questions please keep checking our CSW Belgium club website, or e-mail to one of the board members.

Pavel · 10-07-2008, 18:56

Hi,
one information only, Jndrich Jedlicka is no more member of Czech Club and have no support from club. Jindrich Jedlicka dont represent czech breed and dont judge CsW just minimally 4 years (and dont visit bonitations, youth presentations, shows and CsW meetings in CZ and SK). He dont breeding many years and only support the Mutara hybrids, on which is illegally breeding and the puppies are registrate like a CsW (according some information in Italy). The results make everybody self.

Mirkawolf · 11-07-2008, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Pavel

Hi,
one information only, Jndrich Jedlicka is no more member of Czech Club and have no support from club. Jindrich Jedlicka dont represent czech breed and dont judge CsW just minimally 4 years (and dont visit bonitations, youth presentations, shows and CsW meetings in CZ and SK). He dont breeding many years and only support the Mutara hybrids, on which is illegally breeding and the puppies are registrate like a CsW (according some information in Italy). The results make everybody self.

We know all that Pavel. Anything else you wish to say?

On the other side, you can´t deny the fact Jindrich Jedlicka is valid international judge, he can judge the breed and has more experience with it than you or many members of the current Club board in CR, let alone most of current judges in CR. The bonitation will be run according to Czech rules, including the character test etc., and the results will be perfectly valid and comparable to any other Czech or Slovak bonitation results.

Your personal problems with Jindrich Jedlicka have nothing to do with our bonitation, and luckily we can decide perfectly freely, who to invite.

Pavel · 11-07-2008, 11:46

Mirka, I havent any personal problems with Jedlicka

. I wrote only the information, that he is just little bit "out of game", because every good judge must keep contact with breed developemnt. And if he dont visit any event in countries of origin the breed just over 4 years, am not sure about his quality, like judge for club show.

Hanka · 11-07-2008, 11:54

Ahoj Mirka.
I don´t know if you are right. Jindrich is not in contact with club (I don´t know if he is member) and I don´t know if he knows how we do the bonitation now. I mean complete test of character (What must "figurant" do, we have test of dog in group of people,when is shutting.....). My personaly meaning is : "it will not be the same like czech bonitation", but I can´t know it, of course.

Mirkawolf · 11-07-2008, 12:07

Dear Hanka and Pavel,
I really love how everyone is ready to criticise, but nobody cares to help. We did contact several judges in preparation to the bonitation, and only Mr.Jedlicka was free and kindly agreed to come.

Mr. Jedlicka, as far as I know, is aprooved international judge, listed on the CMKU list of international judges. You both know very well, why he is not comming to Czech club events anymore and why he refused to judge in CR. That does not mean, he does not know what is going on in the world of CSW, he does not know the standard anymore etc. And I don´t think that it is something to discuss here and now.

I really appreciate, that both of you are always ready to say, how awfull it is in western countries, that the people there do not bonitate, they do not x-ray, they do not work with the dogs, they do not do xxx. Well, we want to change it here and we would really appreciate support and help, not useless critics and complaints.

Would you really preffer, that we did the bonitation here with a judge from FR, NL, BE or whatever, Hungarian one? Somebody who does not have a clue? Would that make the results any better in your eyes? I don´t think so. So why there is problem with valid international Czech judge, specialist on the breed?

I also do not see, why the fact that Mr. Jedlicka is not comming to Czech club events should mean, that he does not know how we bonitate now. I am not a club member of KCHCSV for many years, yet I am perfectly informed on what is going on there, including the disasters our current Czech bonitation committee is able to create. I have seen certain Czech bonitation results and actions in CR, that make my head spin.

10-07-2008, 11:16	#1
Mirkawolf Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brussels Posts: 556	2nd bonitation in Belgium Hello everyone, I´d like to announce that on 12th October 2008, club CSW Belgium will organise again bonitation and youth presentation in Glabbeek, Belgium. The judge invited (and confirmed) is Jindrich Jedlicka, Czech specialist on the breed, former head advisor for the breed in CR, owner of kennel Seda Eminence. The bonitation and youth presentation will be run according to Czech rules of bonitation. For more informations, inscription forms and questions please keep checking our CSW Belgium club website, or e-mail to one of the board members. __________________ :: :: :: Cira & Ali & Tulip :: :: :: http://vlcisen.mirkawolf.com

11-07-2008, 12:07	#6
Mirkawolf Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brussels Posts: 556	Dear Hanka and Pavel, I really love how everyone is ready to criticise, but nobody cares to help. We did contact several judges in preparation to the bonitation, and only Mr.Jedlicka was free and kindly agreed to come. Mr. Jedlicka, as far as I know, is aprooved international judge, listed on the CMKU list of international judges. You both know very well, why he is not comming to Czech club events anymore and why he refused to judge in CR. That does not mean, he does not know what is going on in the world of CSW, he does not know the standard anymore etc. And I don´t think that it is something to discuss here and now. I really appreciate, that both of you are always ready to say, how awfull it is in western countries, that the people there do not bonitate, they do not x-ray, they do not work with the dogs, they do not do xxx. Well, we want to change it here and we would really appreciate support and help, not useless critics and complaints. Would you really preffer, that we did the bonitation here with a judge from FR, NL, BE or whatever, Hungarian one? Somebody who does not have a clue? Would that make the results any better in your eyes? I don´t think so. So why there is problem with valid international Czech judge, specialist on the breed? I also do not see, why the fact that Mr. Jedlicka is not comming to Czech club events should mean, that he does not know how we bonitate now. I am not a club member of KCHCSV for many years, yet I am perfectly informed on what is going on there, including the disasters our current Czech bonitation committee is able to create. I have seen certain Czech bonitation results and actions in CR, that make my head spin. __________________ :: :: :: Cira & Ali & Tulip :: :: :: http://vlcisen.mirkawolf.com

10-07-2008, 18:56	#2
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Hi, one information only, Jndrich Jedlicka is no more member of Czech Club and have no support from club. Jindrich Jedlicka dont represent czech breed and dont judge CsW just minimally 4 years (and dont visit bonitations, youth presentations, shows and CsW meetings in CZ and SK). He dont breeding many years and only support the Mutara hybrids, on which is illegally breeding and the puppies are registrate like a CsW (according some information in Italy). The results make everybody self.

11-07-2008, 11:46	#4
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Mirka, I havent any personal problems with Jedlicka . I wrote only the information, that he is just little bit "out of game", because every good judge must keep contact with breed developemnt. And if he dont visit any event in countries of origin the breed just over 4 years, am not sure about his quality, like judge for club show.

11-07-2008, 11:54	#5
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Ahoj Mirka. I don´t know if you are right. Jindrich is not in contact with club (I don´t know if he is member) and I don´t know if he knows how we do the bonitation now. I mean complete test of character (What must "figurant" do, we have test of dog in group of people,when is shutting.....). My personaly meaning is : "it will not be the same like czech bonitation", but I can´t know it, of course.