Norwegian ban on SW and CzW - Page 8

Angelika · 27/11/2009, 13h33

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I have always wanted to own a wolf

Sorry, but I don´t think that´s the right attitude to own a CSV.

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Anyway I will not resign of having a wolfdog and just buy one with a mix breed passport in case I get stopped on the border, but it wont happen since there are no borders inside the EU. And when I have the dog in Norway I will just say if anyone asks that its a "blandingshund"

Maybe a bit selfish?? I would not endanger my dog in such a way. Didn´t you hear about the amstaff Majlo?

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So the norwegian SV(ine) and AP(e) socialist can just eat their stupid piece of paper cause no one will ever have a chance to find out that my dog isnt just a mix born in Norway.

If I would live in Norway I´m a guest. And as a guest I have - much more than an inhabitant - to respect the rules.

Just my 2 pence ...

Rona · 27/11/2009, 14h09

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If I would live in Norway I´m a guest. And as a guest I have - much more than an inhabitant - to respect the rules.

Angelika, I fully support your comments! Even if it means for some people that we're in the same "family"

XaedasKSP · 27/11/2009, 15h03

Well actually I was born in Norway but I have Polish parents so I didnt have so much choice about being a guest or not. So I am not a guest but an inhabitant with norwegian passport and born on norwegian soil, and I am also a member of the FrP. So ofc. I do complain like 24 % of Norwegians who vote FrP also do. And there are many people who really hate socialists here not only cause of the dog law but also many other laws where they treat adult people like children who must be told what to do.

As for the attitude well its some reason behind creating a race like CSV and I am 100 % sure that one of the reasons was actually that they should look like wolfes while not being real wolfes since having a real wolf could be dangerous even if I could keep it from it was 7 weeks old (the instinct etc.). And the CSV is not dangerous from what I have read it just require some more attention and better guiding than for example german sheperd.... I dont know how someone can tell that someone else dont have the right attitude just cause he likes wolfes..... There are people who like yorkshire, chihuahua, dachs etc. for me those ones are breeding failures who dont got anything in common with the real thing the wolf. And I want a real dog that is as close as it gets to the original.

As for the amstaff well anyone on the street can see what it is just like pitbull, rotweiler or dogs like this. Those dogs are too totally different than the original. While CSV will be taken by 99,99 % of people as a mix of husky with laika or elk hound or something cause no one here do even know that something like CSV exist. I didnt know it too until recently. And I was very happy when I found out that dogs like CSV exist.

So when I get my dog it will never be in danger of anything since no one will even imagine it can be a CSV since they dont know what it is and they can never dream about the dog being "banned". When people see a "dangerous" pitbull, doberman, amstaff, rotweiler etc. then they are afraid but no one will be afraid when looking at a wolfie like CSV and thats why no one will be able to imagine that the dog is "banned".

And in 2013 hopefully the theoretical problem ends together with the socialist regime.

Rona · 27/11/2009, 20h02

Excuse for asking, but are equally "sincere" with your National Revenue as you are with Immigration Office clerks who might be reading this forum?

XaedasKSP · 27/11/2009, 20h25

Well the immigration clerks may read whatever they want to do but they will never move their ass to the border other than once in two weeks to Svinesund to check random cars for swedish vodka and beer that people import here to skip the norwegian socialist tax. Whats funny is that norwegians who dont vote FrP still go and buy cheaper swedish vodka and beer and illegaly import it

and its their fault that its expensive cause the vote socialist.

And even if some stupid immigration clerk (they are called toll here) would stand on the border he would probably dont even ask about the dog while looking for vodka and beer, and if he would ask then the mix passport will be more than enough he wont even imagine that something like CSV exist. And it definitly doesnt look like some "dangerous" dog like rotweiler or pitbull or amstaff who anyone recognizes and knows from stupid USA "warning films".

As for the taxes well I pay as little as possible to the National revenue since I dont want the socialists to get their commie hands on too much of my tax. The taxlaw is very flexible so everything is legal ofc. But I dunno what my tax has to do with the dog cause.

Rona · 27/11/2009, 20h35

I'm afraid you missed the deeper meaning of my question...

XaedasKSP · 27/11/2009, 20h37

Oh how sad..

...well then explain me the meaning of it.....

Mikael · 27/11/2009, 21h16

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Bla bla bla, varg, politik och skitsnack...

Please read more and talk less www.wolfdog.no

Besides I do not think your parents will let you get a dog until you grow up

And NO breeder will ever sell you, or anyone in Norway a CsV anyway until the law changes

Regards / Mikael

Rona · 27/11/2009, 21h37

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Besides I do not think your parents will let you get a dog until you grow up

XaedasKSP, you don't realize how bright CSVs are!

If you don't understand a simple hint, you won't be able to understand wolfdog's "speech"

Mikael is right, you still need to learn a lot. Goodl luck!

XaedasKSP · 27/11/2009, 23h48

I can just laugh at those the posts. FIRST of all I am 21 years old........and nor my parents or the socialist state can decide about what I do (with some very small restrictions regarding the state ofc.)

And as for the buying of the dog, I was just trying to be honest in order to let the dog have proper mix-breed papers so the dog could be 100 % secure here in norway....but if it becomes impossible cause of people like you then I will just simply have to be dishonest.

Which means I can send my uncle or a friend who live in Poland for example to buy me a CSV and dont tell anything about where the dog shall live when they buy it or just say its gonna live at their place. Or just change my mail and say that I am from for example sweden or denmark.....nothing simplier....BUT I will only do it if I will need to do so because of people like you. I still hope I will meet upon some friendly breeders who will understand that I will have one CSV one way or another and help me get the proper mix-breed papers for the safety of the dog they will help not only me but actually THE DOG itself. Since I can buy a CSV without problems I just want to make it SAFEST POSSIBLE FOR THE DOG!

Mikael · 28/11/2009, 00h04

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I just want to make it SAFEST POSSIBLE FOR THE DOG!

Then do not try to buy one at all, and that puppy will be safe from both you and the Norwegian government

Regards / Mikael

XaedasKSP · 28/11/2009, 00h20

Hehe well I have decided long ago that I would like to have a "wolfie" and happily CSV exist so I can skip buying a wolfhybrid that is unpredictable. About the CSV there is exact info about what to expect from the dog and how to treat and train it so its much easier and better than buying a half wolf for example. So I am very happy that CSV exist and I will definitly not resign of having my dog cause of some stupid socialists governing in Norway.

The days of the socialism are counted either way since in 2013 FrP will win the election together with Høyre.

Mikael · 28/11/2009, 00h37

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The days of the socialism are counted either way since in 2013 FrP will win the election together with Høyre.

Do not be to sure about that, way do you think they just lost

It looks like all people in Norway do not think like you, thank god.

2013, that is good, it will give you some time to both grow and study the breed

Regards / M

XaedasKSP · 28/11/2009, 00h44

Well I wont be waiting to 2013 to get a dog, I just said that in 2013 socialism in Norway shall end and if not well then I shall spare as much cash as possible and when I have enough, move out of Norway to some normal not socialist country where I start my own business.

People in Norway teach themselfes every year and FrP get more and more votes at each election, and BTW the non socialist side got like 30 000 votes more its just the election system that made the socialists win cause Venstre dropped below the 4 %. Next time those extra votes can count for us in the system and thats enough to make the socialists lose power. Everything is on the edge of a blade in Norwegian politics.....

Per Olav · 28/11/2009, 00h49

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The days of the socialism are counted either way since in 2013 FrP will win the election together with Høyre.

For Heaven's sake, the Norwegian ban on the csv is not related to left or right in politics. By illegally importing a csv from any country the work of many good men in changing the Norwegian breed spesific legislation may be destroyed. I hereby apply to my csv owning friends all over Europe not to let any csv puppy or grown up dog cross the Norwegian border.
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XaedasKSP · 28/11/2009, 01h08

If you are Norwegian then for heaven's sake, you should know well enough that FrP stand for freedom of the individual and this is in everything from alcohol consumption to owning whatever dog you like, there will be 0 banned dog races in Norway if FrP win. And anyone who have read the politics of our party know that we stand for freedom of the choice, the state shall not tell people what to do or what to do not other than in criminal cases where someone restrict someone elses freedom illegaly.

And as second point I think you havent read my posts my dog will officialy be a mix breed not a CSV. And that will stand in all of the papers + no one will ever notice + if I will need to then I wont tell the breeder that I live in Norway or that I am going to import the dog here....but I hope I wont need to, and will be able to be honest and get help to get mix papers for my dog.

Per Olav · 28/11/2009, 01h25

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If you are Norwegian then for heaven's sake, you should know well enough that FrP stand for freedom of the individual and this is in everything from alcohol consumption to owning whatever dog you like, there will be 0 banned dog races in Norway if FrP win. And anyone who have read the politics of our party know that we stand for freedom of the choice, the state shall not tell people what to do or what to do not other than in criminal cases where someone restrict someone elses freedom illegaly.

And as second point I think you havent read my posts my dog will officialy be a mix breed not a CSV. And that will stand in all of the papers + no one will ever notice + if I will need to then I wont tell the breeder that I live in Norway or that I am going to import the dog here....but I hope I wont need to, and will be able to be honest and get help to get mix papers for my dog.

I'm sorry but to me it seems like your lack of knowledge of Norwegian Law making is a little bit confusing. In order not having the work of many good men destroyed I have to report your announced criminal act to the legal Norwegian authoryties hoping for the webmaster's assistance of revealing your mail address and IP number.
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XaedasKSP · 28/11/2009, 01h35

Have fun, you are just like the commie colaborators in Poland or Russia who helped the commies keep power, in the same way you collaborate with the socialists.

And it is even more fun that this wont help since my IP for where I am sitting right now will only get you to a very big student-bolig in Oslo with like 1000 people having the same region IP even the same exact number hahahah. And as for my mail its no problem to change it =D And as for the mail adress....well I can have 100 different mails.....

Its so funny when socialists think they can control people and tell them what to do when in reality they cant

One day we will do the same as Franco in Spain with socialists and commies all over the world to ensure freedom for the people =D

Nebulosa · 28/11/2009, 01h41

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... Socialist norway... stupid socialists governing in Norway... Socialist.. socialist... socialist
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Ok... Ok... You got Raul Castro seal of Disapproval....

Per Olav · 28/11/2009, 01h48

You missed my point, I guess. The ban of the csv in The Norwegian Dog Law was NOT related to political parties, rather the contrary. Btw one of my close friends is the former chairman of the Frp working group debating the law in our Government. I strongly advice you listening to her opinnion.
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27/11/2009, 20h02	#144
Rona Distinguished Member Date d'inscription: August 2004 Localisation: Kraków Messages: 3 509	Excuse for asking, but are equally "sincere" with your National Revenue as you are with Immigration Office clerks who might be reading this forum? __________________

27/11/2009, 20h35	#146
Rona Distinguished Member Date d'inscription: August 2004 Localisation: Kraków Messages: 3 509	I'm afraid you missed the deeper meaning of my question... __________________

27/11/2009, 20h37	#147
XaedasKSP Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Skien/Oslo Messages: 83	Oh how sad.....well then explain me the meaning of it.....

28/11/2009, 01h48	#160
Per Olav Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2003 Messages: 395	You missed my point, I guess. The ban of the csv in The Norwegian Dog Law was NOT related to political parties, rather the contrary. Btw one of my close friends is the former chairman of the Frp working group debating the law in our Government. I strongly advice you listening to her opinnion. -- po Dernière modification par Per Olav ; 28/11/2009 à 01h53

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27/11/2009, 15h03	#143
XaedasKSP Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Skien/Oslo Messages: 83	Well actually I was born in Norway but I have Polish parents so I didnt have so much choice about being a guest or not. So I am not a guest but an inhabitant with norwegian passport and born on norwegian soil, and I am also a member of the FrP. So ofc. I do complain like 24 % of Norwegians who vote FrP also do. And there are many people who really hate socialists here not only cause of the dog law but also many other laws where they treat adult people like children who must be told what to do. As for the attitude well its some reason behind creating a race like CSV and I am 100 % sure that one of the reasons was actually that they should look like wolfes while not being real wolfes since having a real wolf could be dangerous even if I could keep it from it was 7 weeks old (the instinct etc.). And the CSV is not dangerous from what I have read it just require some more attention and better guiding than for example german sheperd.... I dont know how someone can tell that someone else dont have the right attitude just cause he likes wolfes..... There are people who like yorkshire, chihuahua, dachs etc. for me those ones are breeding failures who dont got anything in common with the real thing the wolf. And I want a real dog that is as close as it gets to the original. As for the amstaff well anyone on the street can see what it is just like pitbull, rotweiler or dogs like this. Those dogs are too totally different than the original. While CSV will be taken by 99,99 % of people as a mix of husky with laika or elk hound or something cause no one here do even know that something like CSV exist. I didnt know it too until recently. And I was very happy when I found out that dogs like CSV exist. So when I get my dog it will never be in danger of anything since no one will even imagine it can be a CSV since they dont know what it is and they can never dream about the dog being "banned". When people see a "dangerous" pitbull, doberman, amstaff, rotweiler etc. then they are afraid but no one will be afraid when looking at a wolfie like CSV and thats why no one will be able to imagine that the dog is "banned". And in 2013 hopefully the theoretical problem ends together with the socialist regime.

27/11/2009, 20h25	#145
XaedasKSP Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Skien/Oslo Messages: 83	Well the immigration clerks may read whatever they want to do but they will never move their ass to the border other than once in two weeks to Svinesund to check random cars for swedish vodka and beer that people import here to skip the norwegian socialist tax. Whats funny is that norwegians who dont vote FrP still go and buy cheaper swedish vodka and beer and illegaly import it and its their fault that its expensive cause the vote socialist. And even if some stupid immigration clerk (they are called toll here) would stand on the border he would probably dont even ask about the dog while looking for vodka and beer, and if he would ask then the mix passport will be more than enough he wont even imagine that something like CSV exist. And it definitly doesnt look like some "dangerous" dog like rotweiler or pitbull or amstaff who anyone recognizes and knows from stupid USA "warning films". As for the taxes well I pay as little as possible to the National revenue since I dont want the socialists to get their commie hands on too much of my tax. The taxlaw is very flexible so everything is legal ofc. But I dunno what my tax has to do with the dog cause.

27/11/2009, 23h48	#150
XaedasKSP Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Skien/Oslo Messages: 83	I can just laugh at those the posts. FIRST of all I am 21 years old........and nor my parents or the socialist state can decide about what I do (with some very small restrictions regarding the state ofc.) And as for the buying of the dog, I was just trying to be honest in order to let the dog have proper mix-breed papers so the dog could be 100 % secure here in norway....but if it becomes impossible cause of people like you then I will just simply have to be dishonest. Which means I can send my uncle or a friend who live in Poland for example to buy me a CSV and dont tell anything about where the dog shall live when they buy it or just say its gonna live at their place. Or just change my mail and say that I am from for example sweden or denmark.....nothing simplier....BUT I will only do it if I will need to do so because of people like you. I still hope I will meet upon some friendly breeders who will understand that I will have one CSV one way or another and help me get the proper mix-breed papers for the safety of the dog they will help not only me but actually THE DOG itself. Since I can buy a CSV without problems I just want to make it SAFEST POSSIBLE FOR THE DOG!

28/11/2009, 00h20	#152
XaedasKSP Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Skien/Oslo Messages: 83	Hehe well I have decided long ago that I would like to have a "wolfie" and happily CSV exist so I can skip buying a wolfhybrid that is unpredictable. About the CSV there is exact info about what to expect from the dog and how to treat and train it so its much easier and better than buying a half wolf for example. So I am very happy that CSV exist and I will definitly not resign of having my dog cause of some stupid socialists governing in Norway. The days of the socialism are counted either way since in 2013 FrP will win the election together with Høyre.

28/11/2009, 00h44	#154
XaedasKSP Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Skien/Oslo Messages: 83	Well I wont be waiting to 2013 to get a dog, I just said that in 2013 socialism in Norway shall end and if not well then I shall spare as much cash as possible and when I have enough, move out of Norway to some normal not socialist country where I start my own business. People in Norway teach themselfes every year and FrP get more and more votes at each election, and BTW the non socialist side got like 30 000 votes more its just the election system that made the socialists win cause Venstre dropped below the 4 %. Next time those extra votes can count for us in the system and thats enough to make the socialists lose power. Everything is on the edge of a blade in Norwegian politics.....

28/11/2009, 01h08	#156
XaedasKSP Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Skien/Oslo Messages: 83	If you are Norwegian then for heaven's sake, you should know well enough that FrP stand for freedom of the individual and this is in everything from alcohol consumption to owning whatever dog you like, there will be 0 banned dog races in Norway if FrP win. And anyone who have read the politics of our party know that we stand for freedom of the choice, the state shall not tell people what to do or what to do not other than in criminal cases where someone restrict someone elses freedom illegaly. And as second point I think you havent read my posts my dog will officialy be a mix breed not a CSV. And that will stand in all of the papers + no one will ever notice + if I will need to then I wont tell the breeder that I live in Norway or that I am going to import the dog here....but I hope I wont need to, and will be able to be honest and get help to get mix papers for my dog.

28/11/2009, 01h35	#158
XaedasKSP Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Skien/Oslo Messages: 83	Have fun, you are just like the commie colaborators in Poland or Russia who helped the commies keep power, in the same way you collaborate with the socialists. And it is even more fun that this wont help since my IP for where I am sitting right now will only get you to a very big student-bolig in Oslo with like 1000 people having the same region IP even the same exact number hahahah. And as for my mail its no problem to change it =D And as for the mail adress....well I can have 100 different mails..... Its so funny when socialists think they can control people and tell them what to do when in reality they cant One day we will do the same as Franco in Spain with socialists and commies all over the world to ensure freedom for the people =D