DM Testresults - Page 17

*Satu · 17/08/2011, 14h22

The responsibility for the litter is a breeder and owner of the breeding male. However, we can not DM the disease gene to reduce the population. We often forget what they are doing and go to extremes. I have a DM sick dog and I know what it is like to live with it but I did not panic with it.

Shadowlands · 17/08/2011, 15h21

Thanks Satu, but your boy was born before it was widely known about the disease. Now the disease is known about, I cannot, in my conscience, breed with an N/DM male knowing that some of the pups have a risk of being affected. I also know that it is possible to alleviate the symptoms if it is known about early enough and that it is not the 'end of the world' to have an affected dog, but for stud dog owners to charge lots of money but not do simple, relatively inexpensive tests for the health of the breed, to me, is nothing short of scandalous.

I will perservere and will find a suitable male. If not, we won't breed this year and wait to find a mate for next year. Just because she is a carrier doesn't mean we won't breed, just that we need to be a little more careful. Good matched males still exist out there

Sherdor · 17/08/2011, 15h34

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How can in one litter be a dog with DM/DM and N/N like Sherdor posted from the same parents?

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...&postcount=311

Please watch the first Garderel and the last dogs Gerd.

Christian

Thanks to Shadowland for the explanation...

We "were" lucky... but, Garderel was the puppy i would like to keep as male from this litter... unfortunately, DM tests results decided for us...

The owner has received a strong information about (Lillya also knew everything well because she helped us each 2 afternoons in pups socialization).

Gader'el was the stronggest and best health puppy from the litter...

Shadowlands · 17/08/2011, 18h50

Satu, I just reread what I had posted and think it sounded a bit nasty - I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic or anything, I was genuinely thanking you for pointing out that we have to be careful not to allow this disease gene to narrow the gene pool and affect the future of our beloved breed. Sorry if it came across badly (and I have no excuse as English is my mother tongue!!

)

plume · 18/08/2011, 23h55

BLUE JEAN Du domaine de la combe noire : N/DM
Père: VAICKO PDL N/N
Mère: CORA SPOD DIUMBIERA N/DM

DINOOKA Du Domaine de la combe noire: N/N
Père: AKAYCASH TATRA N/N
Mère: BAKAL Du domaine de la combe noire N/N

plongeuse · 19/08/2011, 01h35

Dog : Eywa du Domaine de la Combe Noire (2009)
Father : Volos Crying Wolf ?
Mother : Backal du Domaine de la Combe Noire N/N

DM testresults : N/DM

mon ptitloup · 24/08/2011, 20h53

Elichka du clos des guerriers : N/N

auryan · 16/09/2011, 22h00

Je tiens à me montrer le plus transparente possible en ce qui concerne ma chienne Bis Didi et les incohérences des résultats MD (parents N/N et Didi N/DM)
J'ai donc relancé par mail le laboratoire laboklin pour avoir des explications, voici ce qui m'a été répondu :

"Bonjour Mme ----,
J'allais vous écrire aujourdh'hui. Aucun élément nouveau à ce dossier, du côté du laboratoire italien Vetlabor qui m'avais écrit qu'il ferait des recherches, c'est silence radio depuis ...le 8 juillet !
Je ne peux donc pas me prononcer donc pas sur l'authenticité de ces 2 résultats émis par un autre laboratoire ; c'est à ce laboratoire de le faire.
Je vous confirme à nouveau, qu'à notre connaissance, nous n'avons pas réalisé pour Vetlabor les 2 analyses DM en question de COSMO et de DHEERSYB.
Je comprends le "désagrément" causé, notamment par les frais ultérieurs engagés par vous et Mme -------, mais vous comprenez également que je ne peux m'exprimer qu'au nom de LABOKLIN ,c'est-à-dire au sujet des analyses que nous avons effectivement réalisées (test DM de BIS DIDI,résultat n° 1105S50161).
Pour notre part, l'affaire est à ce jour classée.
En tout état de cause, la solution de cette énigme doit se trouver en Italie ....
Merci de votre compréhension.
NB: Copie de ce mél à Mme -----
Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Salutations cordiales "

Pour résumer, laboklin a demandé à Vetlabor de faire une enquête et depuis plus rien. Vetlabor prétend travailler avec Laboklin mais ces derniers n'ont aucune trace de ces dossiers. De plus, sur leurs comptes-rendu il n'y a aucun numéro de dossier ni de prélèvement, ce qui avait alerter Laboklin.
Aujourd'hui je ne porterais plus aucun crédit à Vetlabor et à leurs résultats. J'invite toute personne voulant tester son chien pour la MD à s'adresser à Laboklin uniquement. Si j'avais un chien testé chez Vetlabor je referais le test chez Laboklin. J'ai été trompée par le laboratoire Vetlabor qui a assuré que les 2 parents de ma chienne étaient N/N (test ADN de parenté fait chez antagène). Pourquoi garder le silence s'ils étaient honnêtes ?

Désolée de m'exprimer en français, je n'ai pas de traducteur...

Enid Black · 14/10/2011, 19h59

Even Spettro Lup di Lu: N/N

Father: Glock Arian Passo del Lupo: N/N
Mother: Rihanana of Syria Arimminum: N/N

I am very Happy!!

Mijke: where can I send the official result? I have already sent the PDF to the database but I don't know if it has arrived

tupacs2legs · 20/10/2011, 18h43

i know my dogs result wont mean anything to most of you,but i wanted to post it anyway.

wolfzone Tupac- N/DM

edited to add....thankyou daniela

Rona · 20/10/2011, 20h08

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i know my dogs result wont mean anything to most of you,but i wanted to post it anyway.

wolfzone Tupac- N/DM

Tupac is probably the first UK vlcak with DM test result, and you're the first DM result sharing UK owner, Layla!!! Congratulation for opening the new transparent ownership chapter in the ceskoslovensky vlcak history in Britain

Shadowlands · 21/10/2011, 07h59

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i know my dogs result wont mean anything to most of you,but i wanted to post it anyway.

wolfzone Tupac- N/DM

edited to add....thankyou daniela

Of course it means something to us all, it shows you CARE for your boy and the breed

Here's hoping you are the first of many UK owners to share their results with us, but you will always be the first!

Tassle · 21/10/2011, 15h06

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tupacs2legs · 21/10/2011, 16h48

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His sister has been done as well, although I am not sure the results were publicised anywhere.

Yes..because I sent her the details of how and where

..... I know of others that have been tested also

tupacs2legs · 21/10/2011, 17h40

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Tupac is probably the first UK vlcak with DM test result, and you're the first DM result sharing UK owner, Layla!!! Congratulation for opening the new transparent ownership chapter in the ceskoslovensky vlcak history in Britain

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Envoyé par Shadowlands

Of course it means something to us all, it shows you CARE for your boy and the breed

Here's hoping you are the first of many UK owners to share their results with us, but you will always be the first!

thankyou guys

as said,i am not by any means the first to of had their dog tested....but i do wish the results would be shared.

Bajka · 25/10/2011, 17h12

with the consent of the owners:
ABSYNTWilk z baśni - N/N
ARNIKA Wilk z baśni - N/N

Silvester · 25/10/2011, 17h45

Today I´ve got the result of test of my Cwd. from Laboklin:

Zeus Lupus Ibericus: - N / N

Best greetings to everyone here !

Uli alias Silvester from Germany

simo · 31/10/2011, 11h46

Ashanti N/N
Dream Olim Palus N/N

so all the litter "I Olim Palus" (Nouau Arimminum and Dream Olim Palus) are N/N ; and all the Litter "J Olim Palus" (Carr Maly Bysterec and Ashanti) are N/N.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 31/10/2011, 13h17

Hi all,

don't get me wrong, I'm really happy to read of all those negative test results in the last few months.
According to these good news we seem to have no problems at all.
But where are all the N/DM and DM/DM dogs which make a considerable number of the whole population.
We're talking of approximately 30-40 % of the population.
They seem to have disappeared...

Michael

simo · 31/10/2011, 17h11

I agree with you Michael. Some of my dogs are carriers as reported some time ago, with criterion choosing mates the risk deletes itself. These two results are important because all of their offspring (17 pups) are exempt from myelopathy. Clearly, carriers and affected (to a lesser percenutale fortunately) there are, I think it is important to shed light on new puppies free, to help anyone who wants to mate their choice with good sense.

17/08/2011, 14h22	#321
*Satu Junior Member Date d'inscription: August 2004 Messages: 194	The responsibility for the litter is a breeder and owner of the breeding male. However, we can not DM the disease gene to reduce the population. We often forget what they are doing and go to extremes. I have a DM sick dog and I know what it is like to live with it but I did not panic with it. __________________ www.csv.fi

17/08/2011, 18h50	#324
Shadowlands Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Vidin Messages: 391	Satu, I just reread what I had posted and think it sounded a bit nasty - I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic or anything, I was genuinely thanking you for pointing out that we have to be careful not to allow this disease gene to narrow the gene pool and affect the future of our beloved breed. Sorry if it came across badly (and I have no excuse as English is my mother tongue!! ) Dernière modification par Shadowlands ; 17/08/2011 à 18h52

14/10/2011, 19h59	#329
Enid Black Senior Member Date d'inscription: January 2010 Localisation: Arezzo Messages: 1 142	Even Spettro Lup di Lu: N/N Father: Glock Arian Passo del Lupo: N/N Mother: Rihanana of Syria Arimminum: N/N I am very Happy!! Mijke: where can I send the official result? I have already sent the PDF to the database but I don't know if it has arrived __________________ Enid Black, Gianni, Spettro and Kira

20/10/2011, 18h43	#330
tupacs2legs rookie Date d'inscription: April 2009 Localisation: london Messages: 320	i know my dogs result wont mean anything to most of you,but i wanted to post it anyway. wolfzone Tupac- N/DM edited to add....thankyou daniela Dernière modification par tupacs2legs ; 20/10/2011 à 22h00

21/10/2011, 15h06	#333
Tassle Junior Member Date d'inscription: April 2011 Localisation: Cornwall Messages: 137	Deleted... Dernière modification par Tassle ; 21/10/2011 à 21h26

17/08/2011, 15h21	#322
Shadowlands Junior Member Date d'inscription: November 2009 Localisation: Vidin Messages: 391	Thanks Satu, but your boy was born before it was widely known about the disease. Now the disease is known about, I cannot, in my conscience, breed with an N/DM male knowing that some of the pups have a risk of being affected. I also know that it is possible to alleviate the symptoms if it is known about early enough and that it is not the 'end of the world' to have an affected dog, but for stud dog owners to charge lots of money but not do simple, relatively inexpensive tests for the health of the breed, to me, is nothing short of scandalous. I will perservere and will find a suitable male. If not, we won't breed this year and wait to find a mate for next year. Just because she is a carrier doesn't mean we won't breed, just that we need to be a little more careful. Good matched males still exist out there

18/08/2011, 23h55	#325
plume Junior Member Date d'inscription: April 2009 Localisation: nice Messages: 472	BLUE JEAN Du domaine de la combe noire : N/DM Père: VAICKO PDL N/N Mère: CORA SPOD DIUMBIERA N/DM DINOOKA Du Domaine de la combe noire: N/N Père: AKAYCASH TATRA N/N Mère: BAKAL Du domaine de la combe noire N/N

19/08/2011, 01h35	#326
plongeuse Junior Member Date d'inscription: January 2009 Localisation: Villars-s-Fontenais - Jura Messages: 104	Dog : Eywa du Domaine de la Combe Noire (2009) Father : Volos Crying Wolf ? Mother : Backal du Domaine de la Combe Noire N/N DM testresults : N/DM

24/08/2011, 20h53	#327
mon ptitloup Junior Member Date d'inscription: June 2009 Messages: 215	Elichka du clos des guerriers : N/N

16/09/2011, 22h00	#328
auryan Junior Member Date d'inscription: June 2010 Localisation: 13 Messages: 48	Je tiens à me montrer le plus transparente possible en ce qui concerne ma chienne Bis Didi et les incohérences des résultats MD (parents N/N et Didi N/DM) J'ai donc relancé par mail le laboratoire laboklin pour avoir des explications, voici ce qui m'a été répondu : "Bonjour Mme ----, J'allais vous écrire aujourdh'hui. Aucun élément nouveau à ce dossier, du côté du laboratoire italien Vetlabor qui m'avais écrit qu'il ferait des recherches, c'est silence radio depuis ...le 8 juillet ! Je ne peux donc pas me prononcer donc pas sur l'authenticité de ces 2 résultats émis par un autre laboratoire ; c'est à ce laboratoire de le faire. Je vous confirme à nouveau, qu'à notre connaissance, nous n'avons pas réalisé pour Vetlabor les 2 analyses DM en question de COSMO et de DHEERSYB. Je comprends le "désagrément" causé, notamment par les frais ultérieurs engagés par vous et Mme -------, mais vous comprenez également que je ne peux m'exprimer qu'au nom de LABOKLIN ,c'est-à-dire au sujet des analyses que nous avons effectivement réalisées (test DM de BIS DIDI,résultat n° 1105S50161). Pour notre part, l'affaire est à ce jour classée. En tout état de cause, la solution de cette énigme doit se trouver en Italie .... Merci de votre compréhension. NB: Copie de ce mél à Mme ----- Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Salutations cordiales " Pour résumer, laboklin a demandé à Vetlabor de faire une enquête et depuis plus rien. Vetlabor prétend travailler avec Laboklin mais ces derniers n'ont aucune trace de ces dossiers. De plus, sur leurs comptes-rendu il n'y a aucun numéro de dossier ni de prélèvement, ce qui avait alerter Laboklin. Aujourd'hui je ne porterais plus aucun crédit à Vetlabor et à leurs résultats. J'invite toute personne voulant tester son chien pour la MD à s'adresser à Laboklin uniquement. Si j'avais un chien testé chez Vetlabor je referais le test chez Laboklin. J'ai été trompée par le laboratoire Vetlabor qui a assuré que les 2 parents de ma chienne étaient N/N (test ADN de parenté fait chez antagène). Pourquoi garder le silence s'ils étaient honnêtes ? Désolée de m'exprimer en français, je n'ai pas de traducteur...

25/10/2011, 17h12	#336
Bajka 'Wilk z baśni' :) Date d'inscription: January 2008 Localisation: Kraków / Żydów...i tak na zmianę:) Messages: 749	with the consent of the owners: ABSYNTWilk z baśni - N/N ARNIKA Wilk z baśni - N/N __________________ www.wilkzbasni.pl Kalaratri z Peronówki (Furia) & Clair De Lune Srdcerváč (Luna) & Bazyliszek Wilk z baśni

25/10/2011, 17h45	#337
Silvester Junior Member Date d'inscription: September 2004 Localisation: Germany Messages: 369	Today I´ve got the result of test of my Cwd. from Laboklin: Zeus Lupus Ibericus: - N / N Best greetings to everyone here ! Uli alias Silvester from Germany

31/10/2011, 11h46	#338
simo OLIM PALUS KENNEL Date d'inscription: September 2003 Localisation: Latina Messages: 1 167	dm Ashanti N/N Dream Olim Palus N/N so all the litter "I Olim Palus" (Nouau Arimminum and Dream Olim Palus) are N/N ; and all the Litter "J Olim Palus" (Carr Maly Bysterec and Ashanti) are N/N. __________________ Simona... & Olim Palus Kennel www.olimpalus.net

31/10/2011, 13h17	#339
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Date d'inscription: September 2003 Localisation: Bad Dürkheim Messages: 2 249	Hi all, don't get me wrong, I'm really happy to read of all those negative test results in the last few months. According to these good news we seem to have no problems at all. But where are all the N/DM and DM/DM dogs which make a considerable number of the whole population. We're talking of approximately 30-40 % of the population. They seem to have disappeared... Michael

31/10/2011, 17h11	#340
simo OLIM PALUS KENNEL Date d'inscription: September 2003 Localisation: Latina Messages: 1 167	re I agree with you Michael. Some of my dogs are carriers as reported some time ago, with criterion choosing mates the risk deletes itself. These two results are important because all of their offspring (17 pups) are exempt from myelopathy. Clearly, carriers and affected (to a lesser percenutale fortunately) there are, I think it is important to shed light on new puppies free, to help anyone who wants to mate their choice with good sense. __________________ Simona... & Olim Palus Kennel www.olimpalus.net

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