2e Update Dwarfism - Februari 2009

mijke · 09-02-2009, 14:45

In the topics http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9042 and http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9792 I did write about the dwarfism test for SWH that needs to be validate for CsW breed before we can use it.

SWH dwarf pup

In the meantime I did receive several mails of people who were thinking that maybe they did have a dwarf in the past. But these dwarfs or parents did not live anymore.

And the only really proven thing we have is that: Dagaz Dille van de Kilstroom and Chrop z Kladenské záre CS did get the dwarf Xenator Arni de Louba Tar. So Dagaz en Chrop are carriers of the gen mutation and maybe one of their offspring is also carrier of this gen.
And that is why I did add all the names of their offspring in the last update.

A very cooperative breeder did read this list and did realise he has a female of one of this offspring. He did write honest that he did have very small litters with dead born (and very small) pups. And he did want to help to validate the test.
But it was not sure if this female really did get a dwarf puppy.
But because this female was an offspring of Chrop, the university did take the risk to make the (expensive) test for free for this breeder. And two weeks ago we did receive the test results.
Unfortunately it was not possible to validate the dwarfism test, because this female was not carrier of the gen mutation…

But this result don’t say anything, because we were not really sure this female did get a dwarf.

The university still thinks that the mutated gen in CsW breed will be the same as in SWH and GSD breed. But they only can be sure (if it is the same mutation or an other) if we can test a proven carrier of the gen! (= a really dwarf or his parents)

The breeder of the dwarf (ms Keizer) did tell me that the dwarf and Chrop did die and that Dagaz was replaced in Luxemburg. In September she did tell she wants to cooperate for the validation of the test. But till now we did not receive any blood of Dagaz Dille van de Kilstroom!

And till to day our only chance to validate the test is to receive EDTA blood of Dagaz Dille van de Kilstroom!!
But unfortunately I don't have any info of the owners, the only thing I know that she is living in Luxemburg.

So I ask you all now for help!.

* Does anyone of you know the contact info of the owners of Dagaz Dille of the Kilstroom?

* Can anyone of you translate this topic in German or French?

* And please is there anyone who is willing to translate this topic: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9792 in French or German?

Then we also can add this topics about dwarfism on other language sites.
And maybe someone in those countries knows more

Thanks in advance for your help!

09-02-2009, 14:45	#1
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	2e Update Dwarfism - Februari 2009 In the topics http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9042 and http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9792 I did write about the dwarfism test for SWH that needs to be validate for CsW breed before we can use it. SWH dwarf pup In the meantime I did receive several mails of people who were thinking that maybe they did have a dwarf in the past. But these dwarfs or parents did not live anymore. And the only really proven thing we have is that: Dagaz Dille van de Kilstroom and Chrop z Kladenské záre CS did get the dwarf Xenator Arni de Louba Tar. So Dagaz en Chrop are carriers of the gen mutation and maybe one of their offspring is also carrier of this gen. And that is why I did add all the names of their offspring in the last update. A very cooperative breeder did read this list and did realise he has a female of one of this offspring. He did write honest that he did have very small litters with dead born (and very small) pups. And he did want to help to validate the test. But it was not sure if this female really did get a dwarf puppy. But because this female was an offspring of Chrop, the university did take the risk to make the (expensive) test for free for this breeder. And two weeks ago we did receive the test results. Unfortunately it was not possible to validate the dwarfism test, because this female was not carrier of the gen mutation… But this result don’t say anything, because we were not really sure this female did get a dwarf. The university still thinks that the mutated gen in CsW breed will be the same as in SWH and GSD breed. But they only can be sure (if it is the same mutation or an other) if we can test a proven carrier of the gen! (= a really dwarf or his parents) The breeder of the dwarf (ms Keizer) did tell me that the dwarf and Chrop did die and that Dagaz was replaced in Luxemburg. In September she did tell she wants to cooperate for the validation of the test. But till now we did not receive any blood of Dagaz Dille van de Kilstroom! And till to day our only chance to validate the test is to receive EDTA blood of Dagaz Dille van de Kilstroom!! But unfortunately I don't have any info of the owners, the only thing I know that she is living in Luxemburg. So I ask you all now for help!. * Does anyone of you know the contact info of the owners of Dagaz Dille of the Kilstroom? * Can anyone of you translate this topic in German or French? * And please is there anyone who is willing to translate this topic: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9792 in French or German? Then we also can add this topics about dwarfism on other language sites. And maybe someone in those countries knows more Thanks in advance for your help! __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!