Czech Mutara-Gate

fenris · 17-09-2004, 10:32

To Pavel:
You think HD is the cause of the mutara crossings. I dont know if the hight incidence of HD is a x-ray phenomenon, or if an increasing number of CsW really suffer functional handicaps. If the latter is the case I understand the wish to add new blood. But due to your experience and also scientific investigation X ray results of HD are often false positive. If so this crossings can be an act of rush.

To Mijke:
If for any reason the mutara crossing is a positive add to our breed; I fully agree that it should take at least 3 generations of proper selection BEFORE the dogs fluxed into the registry of CsW. It is wrong to register another breed directly.

To Przemek:
I understand your practical argument. Because CsW have already been banned in Norway according to new law on "dog-keeping". The arguments against CsW was not only wolfblood but also its history and trainability as an attacking dog. The Saarlooswolfhond is yet not banned despite its wolf-blood becaust it is believed to be calmer and friendler and of no use in attacking. But new wolf-blood in the CsW will no doubt make it impossible to ever approve CsW in Norway - and even in other countries. So this is a good argument against the mutara-crossings.

You mentioned the strict selection by the army in the beginning of CsW history. My impression is that the Checks and Slovakans still practice good selection on function through their bonitation and training practices. Maybe strict show-breeding is the biggest threat to the breed??

To Margo:
I agree that there is a difference between european and canadian wolves. It is also difference between european wolves. But - if you want to improve HD I cannot see why canadian wolf would be contra-indicated. You must remember that by doing so we must breed back to CsW-lines anyway. The results will be CsW in the end - with improved hips if selected properly. We need not end up with canadian wolf characteristics.
See article on "backcross projedt" on Dalmatians (outcross with a pointer) to improve health. http://www.canine-genetics.com (scroll down to The Backcross Project). By the way; you will find a lot of informative articles on Canine Diversity Homepage.

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17-09-2004, 10:32	#11
fenris Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 59	To Pavel: You think HD is the cause of the mutara crossings. I dont know if the hight incidence of HD is a x-ray phenomenon, or if an increasing number of CsW really suffer functional handicaps. If the latter is the case I understand the wish to add new blood. But due to your experience and also scientific investigation X ray results of HD are often false positive. If so this crossings can be an act of rush. To Mijke: If for any reason the mutara crossing is a positive add to our breed; I fully agree that it should take at least 3 generations of proper selection BEFORE the dogs fluxed into the registry of CsW. It is wrong to register another breed directly. To Przemek: I understand your practical argument. Because CsW have already been banned in Norway according to new law on "dog-keeping". The arguments against CsW was not only wolfblood but also its history and trainability as an attacking dog. The Saarlooswolfhond is yet not banned despite its wolf-blood becaust it is believed to be calmer and friendler and of no use in attacking. But new wolf-blood in the CsW will no doubt make it impossible to ever approve CsW in Norway - and even in other countries. So this is a good argument against the mutara-crossings. You mentioned the strict selection by the army in the beginning of CsW history. My impression is that the Checks and Slovakans still practice good selection on function through their bonitation and training practices. Maybe strict show-breeding is the biggest threat to the breed?? To Margo: I agree that there is a difference between european and canadian wolves. It is also difference between european wolves. But - if you want to improve HD I cannot see why canadian wolf would be contra-indicated. You must remember that by doing so we must breed back to CsW-lines anyway. The results will be CsW in the end - with improved hips if selected properly. We need not end up with canadian wolf characteristics. See article on "backcross projedt" on Dalmatians (outcross with a pointer) to improve health. http://www.canine-genetics.com (scroll down to The Backcross Project). By the way; you will find a lot of informative articles on Canine Diversity Homepage. fenris