Tail

[furyos]

if y say that nebulosa it 's because a tail with this problem can became on genetik present ..... that 's all and y don 't wait yu to breed dog ...sorry .... what studie yu have in genetik? y have a good friend in "maison alfort vetenary university."and y study with french teachers's SCC for my french certificate breeder .and my discussion about some problems we meet in some dogs(mask/long hair /tail curl) with them prove exactly that if nobody note that in a "cheptel "we can have realy this caracteristic on blood line ..... but y forget sorry yu are a big professor in yur country and french genetik professors are so stupid for yu ...to stop a genetik problem ? don t try a marriage with a risk inside .... that s all ......regards .... f

[furyos]

an other question ...do yu ever see in real furcas ? ..... y m not alone in france to note this problem ..... sorry ....

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by furyos

if y say that nebulosa it 's because a tail with this problem can became on genetik present ..... that 's all and y don 't wait yu to breed dog ...sorry .... what studie yu have in genetik? y have a good friend in "maison alfort vetenary university."and y study with french teachers's SCC for my french certificate breeder .and my discussion about some problems we meet in some dogs(mask/long hair /tail curl) with them prove exactly that if nobody note that in a "cheptel "we can have realy this caracteristic on blood line ..... but y forget sorry yu are a big professor in yur country and french genetik professors are so stupid for yu ...to stop a genetik problem ? don t try a marriage with a risk inside .... that s all ......regards .... f

I no need titles or names for proof my knowledge Furyous.
I think even with all these contacts lack for you experience, principally when we talk about CzW case, a breed with few bloodlines, you're talking in take out of reproduction a beauty dog with good character because his tail for you taste isn't good.

Originally Posted by furyos

an other question ...do yu ever see in real furcas ? ..... y m not alone in france to note this problem ..... sorry ....

If you be more experienced in judge dogs you will see that I no need touch Furcas for judge his tail when I have see some videos with he in dogshows, in the nature, playing and photos of he.
But is pretty common make this confusion when you have a dog wich show with a relax up sickle tail when you not know what points you need judge for judge the tail position and here, we talk even about the crupper and back limbs angulation.
We are talking about dog anatomy and really a dog with the structure of Furcas will never have a curly tail naturally, maybe if the tail was broken that isn't the case.

[freewild]

hi here is many photos about furcas and other dog

in fact it depend the caracter as one dog the level affirmed about dominance

in fact for me speak about furcas it's only to have explain about traduce
furyos( merlin ..franck .etc .... as you want .....) you ask as nebulosa if she have see furcas but you ............ you have see only one furcas you can't realy speak

now with photos you can speak

furcas have the tail realy on the parallele as the back not on the left not at the right and don't touch the back

for me the more important furcas don't agress the judge on showor are shy : the tail isn't realy important in fact it's only on information about the level as the dog in the hierarchy and furcas have one realy big caractere
BUT I wait other people as know the standard i didn't say " i have reason "

i just want to learn that's all
i don't speak esencialy about furcas's tail but about the standard

in fact we must speak about standard !
TAIL Set on high, hanging straight down. When dog is excited, generally raised up in sickle shape.

without agressivity just speak and explain why we said those we think about it

[furyos]

Attachment 404...............hey this is the real pb for for a bad position tail............but furcas is whithout tha areal real nice dog.........

[Nebulosa]

More two photos of sickle shape.
And as I told, when relax and up, can leave us to a mistake.

[furyos]

ok nebulosa if yu like this type it s yur opinion but for me it s not typical good expression.....sorry a lot of bad pics it s not a proove..........yu can show me all pictures of the world with bad tail y don' t change my idea...........but just proove one things it s very important to note this problem......... not best position.........y wait other opinion from other judges in slovakia.........y send some mail in this way to know more exactly ...........best regards........

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by furyos

ok nebulosa if yu like this type it s yur opinion but for me it s not typical good expression.....sorry a lot of bad pics it s not a proove..........yu can show me all pictures of the world with bad tail y don' t change my idea...........but just proove one things it s very important to note this problem......... not best position.........y wait other opinion from other judges in slovakia.........y send some mail in this way to know more exactly ...........best regards........

That's the question Furyos, none of the dogs I show the pictures have problems in the tail, but, at the moment of the photo they're excited.
Iowa Eden Severu was A63 Of P1 at bonitation if she had problems as curly tail will appear "Wrong position" at bonitation, wont? Jaberwock z Peronówki has one Very Promossing with Slovakian judge Oskar Dora as was the best puppy with Bozena Ovesna from Czech, he probably won't receive it if have an atipical tail.
You cannot judge the tail without know how do it, some people made the same error as you're doing now.
You may look at the basis of the tail, so you can judge the longer of the bones first, after for the isquian bone position and you will be able to judge the port of the tail for arrive the conclusion, the set, principally for dogs with long tail full of movement means nothing for judge the tail position.
I think i'm wasting my time with you, but i'm sure it will help some people that wans learn more about how judge tails properlly for arrive to his own conclusion.