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[michaelundinaeichhorn]

It is very easy with 3 of our females with one it´s a little more difficult. When we have to go far to the stud I use Progesteron-Tests to find the optimum day.

Ina

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

It is very easy with 3 of our females with one it´s a little more difficult. When we have to go far to the stud I use Progesteron-Tests to find the optimum day.

Ina

Ok, and what marks do you consider to be allready the right ones? Same as usual dogs?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Yes the same.

[saschia]

Hi, I am doing progesteron tests right now with Frei, as we should travel quite far, so I hope it will help. Of course I am also watching her behavior and it seems to correlate.

I was just telling my friend that I would really like some research on hormonal changes in bitches, meaning day-to day changes, oscillation (Frei went from 1.72 to 1.15 in 3 days and then to 2.39 in another 3) etc. But that would require some research grant (having test every 3rd day is quite a lot for me), otherwise it is pretty fast, takes less than 2 hours.
I found a paper where they have studied captive wolves (both kenneled and roaming) and measured their progress through estrus, but they had quite a long spacing between measurement of the same bitch due to stress probably. But they found out that proestrus is cca 2x as long as in dogs, while estrus and gravidity is the same and also hormonal levels are the same.

[saschia]

I have another question regarding heat - so the length of proestrus is 15.7 +- 1.6 days in wolves, which means individual proestrus can be 21 days long in wolves. In wolfdogs this seems to be even longer - Frei is now 28 days in heat and still not flagging completely (she insists on at least 10 minutes of play before being willing to stand still for some smelling and licking). Of course she was not bleeding continually since the beginning, but now she is bleeding profusely for a week, but shows no signs of discomfort except frequent licking. Male dogs thought she was smelling really nice since the beginning, but a week ago they started to be very very insistent on continuing their walks in our direction.

Wolfdog breeders seem to think it is normal to have such a long heat in wolfdog (also the vet who is doing progesterone tests), but my regular veterinarian is concerned about development of cystic endometrial hyperplasia due to long heat. He says that a bitch should not be in heat longer than 4 weeks.

So any vets here (I know about Ina but there may be more?) - what is your opinion? Should I be concerned? Should I let him stop her cycle, if this continues and if, then when?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by saschia

So any vets here (I know about Ina but there may be more?) - what is your opinion? Should I be concerned? Should I let him stop her cycle, if this continues and if, then when?

o.k. I will shut up, even if I wouldn´t stop it now.
Nebulosa?

[saschia]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

...I will shut up...

Oh, I hope you didn't understand that I am not interested in your opinion, because I am, and very much. I just wanted to ask every vet here what their opinon is...

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

o.k. I will shut up, even if I wouldn´t stop it now.
Nebulosa?

I'm student without experience in CzW heath.. the first one I saw was in Jezebeth past month, and i'm still not sure if it really's end or not
So in truth I was waiting your reply.