Thomasfamilypuppies

wolfin · 09-11-2008, 18:46

People please:You see hes web site?
http://thomasfamilypuppies.lt/eng.html
"Puppies for sale
We offer Quality Puppies from Top Lines at affordable prices from responsible and reputable breeders! Rare breeds are also available. Click to see our puppies for sale"
And this is web site about breeds? I not see standart, not see hystory, not see info about character, only "puppies for sale" and ZERO info about parents, about kennel, about breeder, only photo and... please buy, buy.

When I be breeder, who I mas sale for hem pupps, when I not know who pupps be transport, who owners he have, and... when I know - hes from this biznes have minimu 30-50 % money from pupps price who mas pay new owner.
for NOTHING he have money.

I think and i and Margo, and Edith have this situation when people wish buy puppy and we help hem with all info with help to transport or pedigree export, and make this FREE.

yes, maybe I be stupid and see this world in utopia light...

thomas · 12-11-2008, 14:20

I see that how many days here talk about our website its big help for us !! and for CSW now more people know about CSW . I think that its a our jobs..

1) We are not re-sellers beacause we are not buying puppy and selling We are just find new owner and propose to breeders. Im not buying any puppy from anybreeders.
2) Yes i published pictures CSW but im getting permission from breeders. I did not copy and add our website.. Where is the permission on my email inbox and my gmail messenger history..
3) If cryingwolf said that im not give permission then why cryingwolf not join this discussion..
4) On the our website is more breeds and anypuppies we are not sale ,, Breeders sale to owners.. We are autohorizations from breeders.
You can see some breeds permition paper.
http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/r...olajimas-1.jpg
5) When breeders said that add my pictures for advertisment then we can add. We are not steal pictures .. it no necesary for us ..
6) About Lithuanian Breeders i can say anybad words. and we did say that this puppies our puppies ...
7) We are not breeders and We are not professional for CSW . But we can propose everyking breeds on our website and we can propose breeders puppies..

Everybreeders can use our systems... and Every breeders can sale puppies where they wants !!
9) For example Hungry breeders sale puppies to Lithuania or American breeders sale puppies to Hungry i dont see problem !! Free market !!
10) If wolfdog org is some statement for marketing I mean Lithuanian breeders can not sale puppy to Hungry its a stupid things...

I can show all email and all conversation with breeders .. but its will be not for me problem with breeders ... Now we deleted all pictures from our site.. beacause we do not want to do bad for breeders... If somebody give to us judgement then everbody will se what we has on our hands permission or not.. Beacause for us no problem we propose CSW or not !!.. I think so that we was propose CSW on the baltic region... then Daiva said that i sold all my puppies thanks !!

i dont know how is sold !! If she has any litters

) but maybe okay its a no problem with us .. Problem is other side ..

I will ask to all breeders Again and again !! if we have not permission.. How we can publish pictures... and Why she is not join this discussion!!

Best Regards .

Best Regards

Hanka · 12-11-2008, 15:50

I wrote with Thomas too and he wrote me about this situation. He promised me next time he will not use fotos with copyright...Or he will want agreement of autor of fotos.
So in this moment I have not problem with Thomas already, because "my fotos" are deleted.

thomas · 12-11-2008, 15:57

Thanks for your understanding !! Good Bless all CSW Breeders and CSW

thomas · 13-11-2008, 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

I wrote with Thomas too and he wrote me about this situation. He promised me next time he will not use fotos with copyright...Or he will want agreement of autor of fotos.
So in this moment I have not problem with Thomas already, because "my fotos" are deleted.

Im using yes she is dog pictures and read wha she said thats all.. What dou you want to more for me ... its finish when you show to me link or screen then i believe you and now please silent beacause ...

You are always affraid that somebody sale to Lithuania CSW .. Sure that can sale everybreeders to Lithuania CSW puppies Why you affraid ?? Why you can concurent with other CSW breeders... Europe Union its means people can propose your puppies where they wants... and Romanian can sale pups to Lithuania ,, Lithuanian can sale to Hungry!! Why you are so affraid that somebody sale puppy to your country !! You know problem is not pictures Problem is BIG CONCURENT !!!!

thomas · 13-11-2008, 13:55

Hey Girls or Woman i dont know This pictures was from Hanka ,, and we talked with Hanka everythings okay What dou you want more show me one link with my phone or my website !! Im not using CSW Please dont affraid i will not try to sale CSW Just you be happy Lithuania just you can sale puppy no one can try to sale !! You are talking about utopia ..
Show us link not talk same and same !!

thomas · 13-11-2008, 13:58

Give me this Link show me where is the Link on skelbiu.lt I deleted when we talked with Hanka What dou you talk about that !! ?? SHow me link !!

Vaiva · 13-11-2008, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

You are always affraid that somebody sale to Lithuania CSW .. Sure that can sale everybreeders to Lithuania CSW puppies Why you affraid ?? Why you can concurent with other CSW breeders... Europe Union its means people can propose your puppies where they wants... and Romanian can sale pups to Lithuania ,, Lithuanian can sale to Hungry!! Why you are so affraid that somebody sale puppy to your country !! You know problem is not pictures Problem is BIG CONCURENT !!!!

We are more than happy when people from Lihuania want to get a CzW puppy abroad, they contact our club and get all the information that you give - just we do it for free, because we care about the breed. There are nice CzW from abroad in Lithuania - Alpestre Galicisky Vilk, Raps z Litavskie kotliny, Geyon z Peronowki, and hope we will have more. What we care the most is the PEOPLE who get this kind of dog.
And you are not a concurent for breeders in Lithuania

None of responsible breeders will sell a good puppy to you, you can only bring to Lithuania some puppies of a really bad quallity...

thomas · 13-11-2008, 14:01

Okay You are super breeders Show me the Link !! show show !! You are style always say somethings but later escape to other theme Show me the link you said that you find new pictures !! show !!! We are waiting baby!!

thomas · 13-11-2008, 14:06

You can not concurent with me !! You dont want understand What i say !! Beacause escape from them !! I ask to you Hungarian breeders can sale puppy to Lithuania or Finland breeders can sale or not ?? or everybreeders ask to you that sorry i can sale to Lithuania my puppies !! ... ???

If you give permission then they are can ????

What dou you talk about im still waiting Link for new pictures without copyrigt !!! and show me that its my jobs!!..

We are waiting !!
I will be so happy if you show me one link !! if you show me !! I will close all my website !!! but if you can not show then what about you !!

Nebulosa · 12-11-2008, 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

3) If cryingwolf said that im not give permission then why cryingwolf not join this discussion..

...and Why she is not join this discussion!!

She had join to this topic as Jasmine.

thomas · 12-11-2008, 16:18

Sorry okay im always using real name i dont know she is using jasmine !!
okay its problem is finish !! I hope so that everybody understand this problem!! We are not re-seller .. We are just propose breeders puppies We are not buy 10 CSW puppies and sale by one by !! We are proposing puppies to new owners but Owners always contact with breeders... Beacause We can not know about CSW conditions and We can not give to owner about info for CSW ... But i think so that we can offer CSW puppies to our website its not big problem... Yes We was mistake for copyright i understand and i accept and now in our website any pictures or announcement for puppies...

BlueBelton · 12-11-2008, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

We are proposing puppies to new owners but Owners always contact with breeders... Beacause We can not know about CSW conditions and We can not give to owner about info for CSW ...

Thomas, sorry, but you are lying. When you found CSW litter for the customer and you were asked who is the breeder, you said - sorry, I won't tell who is the breeder as we want to make some money too.
There is a proof but in Lithuanian language.

thomas · 12-11-2008, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueBelton

Thomas, sorry, but you are lying. When you found CSW litter for the customer and you were asked who is the breeder, you said - sorry, I won't tell who is the breeder as we want to make some money too.
There is a proof but in Lithuanian language.

No.. im not liying yes i have to win money when i found new owners i have to get my comission here is not church ,, But you can say that im buying puppy and i sale to owner sorry but no... Sure if i found new customer and i propose your puppy i have to win money !! Yes When i talk new owners until deposit i did not say breeders .. after deposit why not ... You have understand that i make business but im not buying puppy and sale ..

If i propose your puppy i have to get comission yes !!

thomas · 12-11-2008, 19:15

And now i have 3 customers for CSW but my owners waiting my answer ... when i get deposit then i will say my customers breeders email or website or phone!! and is so easy to check if i will buy puppies must be pedigree on my name yes !! But you are wrong everypuppy works papers will be on new owners names .... We are not selling puppies , We are selling information about available puppies... it so easy understand ...

Vaiva · 12-11-2008, 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

And now i have 3 customers for CSW but my owners waiting my answer ...

Yes, and how you can be so sure, that breeder will sell the puppy to THESE people? Not every person is able to handle with CzW, and a good breeder will not sell a puppy to a person, not suitable for it. Or do you think you know enought about the breed you can check the potential buyers? How do you do this? Or the only condition is money?

thomas · 12-11-2008, 19:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Yes, and how you can be so sure, that breeder will sell the puppy to THESE people? Not every person is able to handle with CzW, and a good breeder will not sell a puppy to a person, not suitable for it. Or do you think you know enought about the breed you can check the potential buyers? How do you do this? Or the only condition is money?

1) Im not selling puppies to Alcoholic or Psicol problem person im selling puppies to Family...
2) We first get deposit after owners contact with breeders.. If breeders say that i can not sale this person then money back whats a problem
3) Yes money is important what dou you think money for u not important
4) When we talked with cryingwolf she said me first always " Important for me buyers if buyers can not look this puppy then sales agreement she can cancel
5) Deposit always back to owner if breeders say that NO !!

thomas · 12-11-2008, 19:28

Now everybody looking to cryingwolf she is sale puppies or not !! Now What dou you think Daiva did good !! for my site not good !! For me no matter 3 CSW sold or not im propose 50 breeders puppies on my site ... and we are working with hungry breeders so friendly... Breeders win selling puppies i win selling information i do not think that its bad for me and for breeders...

I have to say again We are not church sure that we have to win money breeders must win money too.. and all information about breeds must give all info to owners not me must give breeders.... its a marketings systems .. Now all around the world economic crises .. If i help to breeders its bad!!!....

Everbody know that CSW is not populars breeds but so specific breeds .. and i dont know about CSW nothing ....just i accept my mistake or my fault was publish Ms.Hanka's dog .. this was my fault but for cryingwolf puppies publish with permission.. i can show on the judgement everythings.. Im not stupid im not 15 years old. I know everythings for business... i know that without permission you can publish anythings...

And Hanka wrote to me email in same second i deleted picture... Why im not publish now cryingwolf puppies Beacause i dont want to she is a victim for pictures.. i said again no problem CSW puppies for sale or not but problem is friendship for breeders... thanks

BlueBelton · 12-11-2008, 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

it so easy understand ...

No it's not, as breeding and business never go together hand in hand. And all respectable breeders know it.. Do you know that good dogs from respectable breeders are not for sale to anyone who wishes to buy? Respectable and honest breeders choose owners for their puppies. If a person who wants to buy a puppy is not worth it then respectable breeder doesn't sell it to him. To get a good dog from a wonderfull kennel usually you must prove that you will be the best owner in the world for their puppy and that you are worth it.
So my question is - how do you select the owners? If the customer is very rich but know nothing about the dogs (and he even doesn't try to know something because he doesn't care, he wants the puppy only because of the prestige) do you still desperately try to find a dog for him? -- the question is rhetorical and need no answer, because answer is clear as crystal. You search puppies for anyone who wishes to buy as long as they pay money. And you don't care if the puppy will spend the rest of it's life like an unloved creature or even will be put to the shelter.

Sure, this is business. And business is business. That's why business never go together with honest and respectable breeding.

thomas · 12-11-2008, 19:51

Okay !! But you know we are not say to breeders please sale your puppies to my owners and we are not liar that i will say to breeders please sale to me puppy .. i will look your puppy best ... We are saying directly We are dog consultant and we can find your puppy new owners if you dont want you can not accept ... its breeders decission... I said always to breeders i have owners for your puppies accept or disaccept... and that;s all... and i think so that our systems is perfect...

1) We find new owners for your puppies
2) We get deposit after deposit you contact with owners if you accept we will sent money to your account.. if no money back to owner...
3) We are not selling puppies look likes apples !!
4) We have not farm that we can buy 100 puppies and selling im not stupid ..why i need this farm and bigrisk im selling informations and thats all !! i have no petshop all pupps stay on my shop... no we are selling info!!

09-11-2008, 18:46	#1
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	People please:You see hes web site? http://thomasfamilypuppies.lt/eng.html "Puppies for sale We offer Quality Puppies from Top Lines at affordable prices from responsible and reputable breeders! Rare breeds are also available. Click to see our puppies for sale" And this is web site about breeds? I not see standart, not see hystory, not see info about character, only "puppies for sale" and ZERO info about parents, about kennel, about breeder, only photo and... please buy, buy. When I be breeder, who I mas sale for hem pupps, when I not know who pupps be transport, who owners he have, and... when I know - hes from this biznes have minimu 30-50 % money from pupps price who mas pay new owner. for NOTHING he have money. I think and i and Margo, and Edith have this situation when people wish buy puppy and we help hem with all info with help to transport or pedigree export, and make this FREE. yes, maybe I be stupid and see this world in utopia light... __________________

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12-11-2008, 14:20	#2
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	I see that how many days here talk about our website its big help for us !! and for CSW now more people know about CSW . I think that its a our jobs.. 1) We are not re-sellers beacause we are not buying puppy and selling We are just find new owner and propose to breeders. Im not buying any puppy from anybreeders. 2) Yes i published pictures CSW but im getting permission from breeders. I did not copy and add our website.. Where is the permission on my email inbox and my gmail messenger history.. 3) If cryingwolf said that im not give permission then why cryingwolf not join this discussion.. 4) On the our website is more breeds and anypuppies we are not sale ,, Breeders sale to owners.. We are autohorizations from breeders. You can see some breeds permition paper. http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/r...olajimas-1.jpg 5) When breeders said that add my pictures for advertisment then we can add. We are not steal pictures .. it no necesary for us .. 6) About Lithuanian Breeders i can say anybad words. and we did say that this puppies our puppies ... 7) We are not breeders and We are not professional for CSW . But we can propose everyking breeds on our website and we can propose breeders puppies.. Everybreeders can use our systems... and Every breeders can sale puppies where they wants !! 9) For example Hungry breeders sale puppies to Lithuania or American breeders sale puppies to Hungry i dont see problem !! Free market !! 10) If wolfdog org is some statement for marketing I mean Lithuanian breeders can not sale puppy to Hungry its a stupid things... I can show all email and all conversation with breeders .. but its will be not for me problem with breeders ... Now we deleted all pictures from our site.. beacause we do not want to do bad for breeders... If somebody give to us judgement then everbody will se what we has on our hands permission or not.. Beacause for us no problem we propose CSW or not !!.. I think so that we was propose CSW on the baltic region... then Daiva said that i sold all my puppies thanks !! i dont know how is sold !! If she has any litters ) but maybe okay its a no problem with us .. Problem is other side .. I will ask to all breeders Again and again !! if we have not permission.. How we can publish pictures... and Why she is not join this discussion!! Best Regards . Best Regards

12-11-2008, 15:50	#3
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	I wrote with Thomas too and he wrote me about this situation. He promised me next time he will not use fotos with copyright...Or he will want agreement of autor of fotos. So in this moment I have not problem with Thomas already, because "my fotos" are deleted.

12-11-2008, 15:57	#4
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	Thanks for your understanding !! Good Bless all CSW Breeders and CSW

13-11-2008, 13:55	#6
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	Hey Girls or Woman i dont know This pictures was from Hanka ,, and we talked with Hanka everythings okay What dou you want more show me one link with my phone or my website !! Im not using CSW Please dont affraid i will not try to sale CSW Just you be happy Lithuania just you can sale puppy no one can try to sale !! You are talking about utopia .. Show us link not talk same and same !!

13-11-2008, 13:58	#7
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	Give me this Link show me where is the Link on skelbiu.lt I deleted when we talked with Hanka What dou you talk about that !! ?? SHow me link !!

13-11-2008, 14:01	#9
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	Okay You are super breeders Show me the Link !! show show !! You are style always say somethings but later escape to other theme Show me the link you said that you find new pictures !! show !!! We are waiting baby!!

13-11-2008, 14:06	#10
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	You can not concurent with me !! You dont want understand What i say !! Beacause escape from them !! I ask to you Hungarian breeders can sale puppy to Lithuania or Finland breeders can sale or not ?? or everybreeders ask to you that sorry i can sale to Lithuania my puppies !! ... ??? If you give permission then they are can ???? What dou you talk about im still waiting Link for new pictures without copyrigt !!! and show me that its my jobs!!.. We are waiting !! I will be so happy if you show me one link !! if you show me !! I will close all my website !!! but if you can not show then what about you !!

12-11-2008, 16:18	#12
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	Sorry okay im always using real name i dont know she is using jasmine !! okay its problem is finish !! I hope so that everybody understand this problem!! We are not re-seller .. We are just propose breeders puppies We are not buy 10 CSW puppies and sale by one by !! We are proposing puppies to new owners but Owners always contact with breeders... Beacause We can not know about CSW conditions and We can not give to owner about info for CSW ... But i think so that we can offer CSW puppies to our website its not big problem... Yes We was mistake for copyright i understand and i accept and now in our website any pictures or announcement for puppies...

12-11-2008, 19:15	#15
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	And now i have 3 customers for CSW but my owners waiting my answer ... when i get deposit then i will say my customers breeders email or website or phone!! and is so easy to check if i will buy puppies must be pedigree on my name yes !! But you are wrong everypuppy works papers will be on new owners names .... We are not selling puppies , We are selling information about available puppies... it so easy understand ...

12-11-2008, 19:28	#18
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	Now everybody looking to cryingwolf she is sale puppies or not !! Now What dou you think Daiva did good !! for my site not good !! For me no matter 3 CSW sold or not im propose 50 breeders puppies on my site ... and we are working with hungry breeders so friendly... Breeders win selling puppies i win selling information i do not think that its bad for me and for breeders... I have to say again We are not church sure that we have to win money breeders must win money too.. and all information about breeds must give all info to owners not me must give breeders.... its a marketings systems .. Now all around the world economic crises .. If i help to breeders its bad!!!.... Everbody know that CSW is not populars breeds but so specific breeds .. and i dont know about CSW nothing ....just i accept my mistake or my fault was publish Ms.Hanka's dog .. this was my fault but for cryingwolf puppies publish with permission.. i can show on the judgement everythings.. Im not stupid im not 15 years old. I know everythings for business... i know that without permission you can publish anythings... And Hanka wrote to me email in same second i deleted picture... Why im not publish now cryingwolf puppies Beacause i dont want to she is a victim for pictures.. i said again no problem CSW puppies for sale or not but problem is friendship for breeders... thanks

12-11-2008, 19:51	#20
thomas Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44	Okay !! But you know we are not say to breeders please sale your puppies to my owners and we are not liar that i will say to breeders please sale to me puppy .. i will look your puppy best ... We are saying directly We are dog consultant and we can find your puppy new owners if you dont want you can not accept ... its breeders decission... I said always to breeders i have owners for your puppies accept or disaccept... and that;s all... and i think so that our systems is perfect... 1) We find new owners for your puppies 2) We get deposit after deposit you contact with owners if you accept we will sent money to your account.. if no money back to owner... 3) We are not selling puppies look likes apples !! 4) We have not farm that we can buy 100 puppies and selling im not stupid ..why i need this farm and bigrisk im selling informations and thats all !! i have no petshop all pupps stay on my shop... no we are selling info!!