Offspring´s

[Hanka]

But I travel too. I write about other breeders, which not travel. So if I CAN travel for mateing, why don´t take new blood to my country?
I know you don´t like Edit, but I used male with (for Czech) interest blood.

[wolfin]

aha ok.
But about Edith we not speak in this thema, and ... if You have falsh info about me and Edith friendship, please not wright this.

[wolfin]

Sorry Mikael, but for me, You not very see dogs pedigree, and not know all thime about who speak.
Maybe better mass studie all litters and breed plans?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Sorry Mikael, but for me, You not very see dogs pedigree, and not know all thime about who speak.
Maybe better mass studie all litters and breed plans?

Maby you can tell me what is wrong by try to keep the COI low,
and try to get in new blood in your contry ???

Best regards / Mikael

[wolfin]

All be in control
sory but info about litter I not cann say- this cann say only breeders this litters, whot for he make this or this. Others we have people who be not happy for us speak.

[Nebulosa]

I hope next time Czech republic will try to rescue the line of S and R Windsweept Hillok litters, jola z Krotovskeho Dvora and Falco zo Sennej, with the more "czech lines" these dogs will be almost outcrossing... but.. none have interess they have no show titles.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

I hope next time Czech republic will try to rescue the line of S and R Windsweept Hillok litters, jola z Krotovskeho Dvora and Falco zo Sennej, with the more "czech lines" these dogs will be almost outcrossing... but.. none have interess they have no show titles.

I have BIG interest...

No show results needed, only good HD and Bonitation...

Best regards / Mikael

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Mikael

I have BIG interest...

No show results neaded only good HD and Bonitation...

Best regards / Mikael

I'm almost making a campaign for someone use these dogs, now that's public I hope someone will use it, without fear of the unknow.

[wolfin]

For dogs blood/linie rescue need only dogs, and hes HD, and inbreed. others not very important.

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by wolfin

For dogs blood/linie rescue need only dogs, and hes HD, and inbreed. others not very important.

It's not important for a concient breeder wich plan mates seing the bloodline for all breed, without care too much if maybe this litter will not be such great or beauty, but most part isn't like that and have eyes more for the well know dogs, maybe that's why lines like this, or like almost happen with Iran Zemplinska Oblast line, are getting lost.

[fenris]

Wrote Mikael: "I have BIG interest...

No show results needed, only good HD and Bonitation...

Best regards / Mikael"

Thats a sound scandinavian attitude!. I support youre point of view. Nothing is more a detriment to a breed than pure show-breeding.

Fenris.

[loco]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

I hope next time Czech republic will try to rescue the line of S and R Windsweept Hillok litters, jola z Krotovskeho Dvora and Falco zo Sennej, with the more "czech lines" these dogs will be almost outcrossing... but.. none have interess they have no show titles.

But this breeder has 3 dogs out this litters, do you not think he has a reason why he did not breed on with this dogs out of those litters?
Or is just only the line that must be kept alive, and really the rest is not inportend?
Groette Martine.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

I hope next time Czech republic will try to rescue the line of S and R Windsweept Hillok litters, jola z Krotovskeho Dvora and Falco zo Sennej, with the more "czech lines" these dogs will be almost outcrossing... but.. none have interess they have no show titles.

Where can I find out more about this line ???

Can somebody send me some info ???

Regards / Mikael

[fenris]

To follow up my prior comment; please have a look at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7779686.stm

[Hanka]

Yes, here:
http://www.wolfdog.org/ces/dbase/o218.html

But blood of Rep is not so "interest"= good for rescuing . More interest is Atos z Belesova.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes, here:
http://www.wolfdog.org/ces/dbase/o218.html

But blood of Rep is not so "interest"= good for rescuing . More interest is Atos z Belesova.

Do the clubs have any sperm bank on this rare lines, or on other old good dogs ???

How long can one keep frousen sperms ???

How would it work to make a small spermbank today on this rare dogs ???

Is it possible ???

Regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by fenris

To follow up my prior comment; please have a look at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7779686.stm

Thanks, very very up to date

Good that somebody do react to this inbreeding problems !!!

Best regards / Mikael

[fenris]

Inbreeding isnt necessarily the problem, but lack of proper offspring selection. Breeding dogs for "beauty-contests" will lead to genetic problem despite the inbreeding practice done. Breeding for good working dogs require a multitude of qualities. Add to that "vitality", "multiple health-factors", mental characteristics &.c.... Breeding is far more sofisticated than adding up pedigrees and inbreeding coefficients. I know some breeders of domestic animals can be very successful practicing inbreeding. Mother-nature can handle heavy inbreeding in wolf populations thanks to severe natural selection. A problem with CWD is an over-estimation of some show-dogs as "studs" and an under-estimation of some good working-line dogs. How are the offspring tested for satisfactory breed results? The bonitations and working tests should be required for studs and brood bitches of this workingdog breed. What if : workingdog tests must be done BEFORE entering the show-ring??

[Hanka]

Wow, there was