Worlddogshow 2010

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by littlepeet

In Germany we hope for this since yyyyyyears...

Well maybe I am just optimistic ? but I really can`t blame Danish Kennel Klub for not putting much effort in this, when only 3-4 foreign CSW`s have visited dogshows in Denmark in the last 10 years or so and usually there is only me with my dog(now two dogs), if things was different I had a reason to complain, but for the moment I accually do understand them ...not that I agree with them !

I can`t speak about the situation in Germany, because I know nothing about it ! ...but can special club( Club für Tschechoslowakische Wolfshunde Deutschland) not put pressure on the German kennel club ? you have so many more induviduals in Germany, compared to Denmark(4 members in our special club and only me who is active = showing and training for exams).

Greetings Rolf

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

No, we can´t do much about it. The situation got a little bit better because some judges got interested in the breed. But still there are misjudgements. On international shows the popular breeds have chances to get competent ones, the small breeds get a judge that has some spare time left.
After two years of absolutely horrible judgements in Dormund I and I think some more people complained about the judge not following the standart (eyes were to yellow or light, all dogs were wrongly ankeled, tailes were to short....) after that we got 2-3 years at least German judges who tried their very best.
We are only allowed to train own specialized judges when we are an official VDH-Club that can rule the breeding itself, we are fighting for that at the moment but because we don´t have enough different lines we have a wainting period now for some time and hopefully are succesfull the next time.

The Slowakian Kennel Club has produced a training DVD for judges where they show on examples how a dog should look like and how it shouldn´t.

But this is the reason why we normally don´t show on world dog shows with judges we don´t know very well and ask judges out of countries of origin for our Club shows. It also is the reason why people who know the breed very well don´t care at all about international titles like world champion.

Ina

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

No, we can´t do much about it. The situation got a little bit better because some judges got interested in the breed.

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

We are only allowed to train own specialized judges when we are an official VDH-Club that can rule the breeding itself, we are fighting for that at the moment but because we don´t have enough different lines we have a wainting period now for some time and hopefully are succesfull the next time.

So there is hope for a better future

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

But this is the reason why we normally don´t show on world dog shows with judges we don´t know very well and ask judges out of countries of origin for our Club shows. It also is the reason why people who know the breed very well don´t care at all about international titles like world champion.

World dog shows, international dog shows or national dog shows is all good opportunities to spread the knowledge of our breed to judges and the public, so in the future they will have bigger interest in our wonderful breed I think the dog shows is a really good way to make people aware of our breed and this is why I show my dogs at many dog shows(world dog show is even better because many people will come), every day I meet people who do not know of the existence of our breed also on dog shows there is many people who see our breed for the first time ....even when I have been in Czech rep., Slovakia or Italy people stop me in the streets to ask about this breed, so when more people will know of our breed we can expect more interest from kennel clubs and judges and hopefully have better/more competent judges in the future

Greetings Rolf

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by rolf

So there is hope for a better future



World dog shows, international dog shows or national dog shows is all good opportunities to spread the knowledge of our breed to judges and the public, so in the future they will have bigger interest in our wonderful breed I think the dog shows is a really good way to make people aware of our breed and this is why I show my dogs at many dog shows(world dog show is even better because many people will come), every day I meet people who do not know of the existence of our breed also on dog shows there is many people who see our breed for the first time ....even when I have been in Czech rep., Slovakia or Italy people stop me in the streets to ask about this breed, so when more people will know of our breed we can expect more interest from kennel clubs and judges and hopefully have better/more competent judges in the future

Greetings Rolf

Well, this doesn´t really happen in my experience. We have shown our dogs very often in the past, what costs a lot of time and money but nothing changed. What helped was to speak to some judges personally and mainly that they have seen more and more better charakters so they could see an improvement in itself. But it only helps with some judges and the main thing is that they get the impression not that there are many dogs but that there are passionated breeders and owners in the country. With the judges that don´t even bother to care for the standart nothing helped at all, they just don´t care and don´t want to. What seemed to help a little bit for the next years was to complain about showers paying a lot of money for judges that oviously don´t even know the standart.
But even in Slovakia there was a situation not so long ago when a specialised judged intervened because of the absolutely wrong judgement of an international one.

Ina

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Well, this doesn´t really happen in my experience. We have shown our dogs very often in the past, what costs a lot of time and money but nothing changed. What helped was to speak to some judges personally and mainly that they have seen more and more better charakters so they could see an improvement in itself. But it only helps with some judges and the main thing is that they get the impression not that there are many dogs but that there are passionated breeders and owners in the country. With the judges that don´t even bother to care for the standart nothing helped at all, they just don´t care and don´t want to. What seemed to help a little bit for the next years was to complain about showers paying a lot of money for judges that oviously don´t even know the standart.
But even in Slovakia there was a situation not so long ago when a specialised judged intervened because of the absolutely wrong judgement of an international one.

Ina

Well if everybody stop showing their dogs for unxeperienced judges, who will be judging our dogs when these judges retire ?
The dogshows is a great opportunity to speak with the judges and show them that there are passionated breeders and owners in the country, but this is only possible by going to the dogshows. How should the judges see any improvements if no ones want to show their dogs ?
There are always rotten apples in every barrel, but just because of a few rotten apples, you don`t have to throw the whole barrel out !
Why not put an effort in speaking with judges who care and help educating them about our breed and forget the few rotten apples ?

Luckily I have never meet any judges who don`t care for the standart, most of the unexperienced judges(and trainies) I have meet in Denmark have asked me about the breed after the judgment, showing a big interest about our breed.

Greetings Rolf

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

We have done our share of that work for many years, believe me but I won´t invest more time ore money for judges that don´t do their homework

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

We have done our share of that work for many years, believe me but I won´t invest more time ore money for judges that don´t do their homework

I don`t doubt what you write ! ...but some one have to keep up being optimistic about judges and kennel clubs will get better and I think it is a shame that an experienced breeder like you won`t continue the good work !
...what happened to "But it only helps with some judges and the main thing is that they get the impression not that there are many dogs but that there are passionated breeders and owners in the country" ?
It`s kinda hard for an unexperienced owner like my self to give that impression all by my self, I think we all could use as much help as possible to make some changes ...and I think world dog shows will be a good oportunity to do that !

Greetings Rolf

[robertomaggio]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

We have done our share of that work for many years, believe me but I won´t invest more time ore money for judges that don´t do their homework

I agree 100% wiht Ina.
There is not sense.
Roberto

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

The Slowakian Kennel Club has produced a training DVD for judges where they show on examples how a dog should look like and how it shouldn´t.

Do you know if it is possible to purchase this DVD? I think something like this could be very helpful to the judges over here on the "lonely AKC/UKC island". They are all very curious here...most are alerted by the host club before the show that they will be judging their first CSV - several, after they have gotten over their initial fear of the word "wolf", and actually meet the dogs - say to me that they have tried to "do their homework", and learn about the breed before the show. This sounds like a great tool...

Here's a toast to 2009!
Marcy

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by rolf

Well maybe I am just optimistic ? but I really can`t blame Danish Kennel Klub for not putting much effort in this, when only 3-4 foreign CSW`s have visited dogshows in Denmark in the last 10 years or so and usually there is only me with my dog(now two dogs), if things was different I had a reason to complain, but for the moment I accually do understand them ...not that I agree with them !

Greetings Rolf

I think there will be over 30 CsV in Danmark 2010
by looking at how many CsV that did come to Sweden in 2008.

Regards / Mikael

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

I think there will be over 30 CsV in Danmark 2010
by looking at how many CsV that did come to Sweden in 2008.

Regards / Mikael

I hope as many as possible will come and show their dogs and by doing that help spread the knowledge of our fantastic breed

Counting on you Mikael in 2010

Greetings Rolf

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by rolf

I hope as many as possible will come and show their dogs and by doing that help spread the knowledge of our fantastic breed

Counting on you Mikael in 2010

Greetings Rolf

Thanks

I´m counting on my self to And I think we will make it ?

Regards / Mikael

[massimo]

There is no other way to know if something is wrong or right than to test it personally!
Let's not judge a jugde before hand... who knows??
I will SURELY come to denmark, if only to support Uno as best wolfdog in the world!!!
I hope many many others will come too!!
come to world show... I promise I will make you enjoy your stay... in one way...or another!
massimo

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by massimo

I will SURELY come to denmark, if only to support Uno as best wolfdog in the world!!!

I promise I will make you enjoy your stay... in one way...or another!

Thanks a lot for your support
I am looking forward to see you again my friend and I am also sure we will have fun

Greetings Rolf

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by massimo

I promise I will make you enjoy your stay... in one way...or another!
massimo

Hmm, sounds really gripping, Massimo

[Juniorwolf]

I am trying to organize some extra fun for all who comes to worlddogshow 2010 in Denmark and want to hear if anybody will be interested ?

Givskud-Zoo is a very big Zoo/safaripark, which is placed about 50km from the worlddogshow and there is a possibility to get an exclusive "meeting" with the wolves after the Zoo/park is closed, in the middle of the wolves area is a small "house" with a veranda/porch, where the staff will prepare a supper/dinner for those who are interested to "eat with the wolves" and in same time get some information(in English and/or German) of the wolves daily activities, puppies, breeding program and so on... it is allowed to bring your dog(s) to "eat with the wolves", in the Zoo/safaripark it is possible to drive around by your own car or in a safaribuss with a guide(just like a real safari) to meeet all the animals up close and more or less free, some places you must get out of the car to see the animals in their pens/inclosements.
So I would recommend to come "early" and take a safari by buss or by own car and around 18:00 come and "eat with the wolves".
...in addition to the zoo/safaripark is a hostel where it is possible to stay overnight with your dogs.

Please give me some feedback on this, so I know if I should arrange such an event ...no strings attached yet ! so far it is just a request to see if it would have any interest ?

The worlddogshow will be 24.6.2010(for CSW) all breeds 24.-27.6.2010 and I wanted to arrange to "eat with wolves" the day before(23.6.2010).

http://www.givskudzoo.dk/

Thanks in advance