Artificial insemination only solution for the breed in spain?

[Pavel]

One notice only :

FCI International breeding rules
"...Artificial insemination is not to be used on animals which have not reproduced naturally before..."

Please dont break basic breeding rules with our lovely dogs !!!

[kaiku]

Pavel, I'm totally agree.

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by kaiku

Pavel, I'm totally agree.

Its not for agree or disagree, its simply rule, what must keep all CsW breeders as well.

[kaiku]

Originally Posted by Pavel

Its not for agree or disagree, its simply rule, what must keep all CsW breeders as well.

I'm agree with not break the rules.

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Pavel

One notice only :

FCI International breeding rules
"...Artificial insemination is not to be used on animals which have not reproduced naturally before..."

Please dont break basic breeding rules with our lovely dogs !!!

And only lack this part:

"Exceptions (either the male or the female has not yet reproduced naturally) can be made by the national kennel clubs in certain cases."

So, they can do it even if the male and the female still wasn't used on breeding, but they will need the agreement of the national club in this case.

Anyway, I disagree completly to make AI in dogs because "its too far away" when you can still go by car.Sorry but travel is a huge oportunity for breeder to meet other dogs and compare the quality, see what you need improve in your country, for me its a completly nonsense you use IA for avoid travel because its "too far away by car", sorry but travel by car is compeltly safe for you go and mate, as you have no difference in preassure, no different people handling the dogs box like a potatoe bag and, if the dog is well trained, no stress for the dog ( that mainly enjoy the trip).
As breeder people may have idea that will expend a lot of time and money for mate their females, its breeding, its improve the breed and its needed, if you cant or you don't want because " its too difficult as its far" so, don't breed, when you choose the breed you knew it was a new breed in your country and that needs a lot of work still, teorically everyone imagined that they will need to travel a long way for mates and bring new blood, so the road and the car isn't somethign new.

[Tuky]

there is a saying that he says: " wanting is to be able " (querer es poder in spanish)

If it is wanted you can do in not alone car 2000 km, but the triple one if you propose it ... but it is necessary to think that they not all have the possibility of saying in the work that they cannot go because it has to go with his bitch to X km to mount it with a male

Let's not speak about the expenses that it bears.

This post began with the situation of Spain (as it is said here, Spain is different (to Europe). Few litters they have been I begin and 2 of the breeding ground more ancient are only repetitions...

In other races it is quite common to do it (both with refreshed and frozen semen), and common practice in the veterinary clinics (it is necessary to have special products but the same companies of transport of semen they usually give it)

One does not ask that they all should do IA, only they attract attention of us the rellazo towards her, being that it gives good results and helps to the genetic local changeability

[Pavel]

If everybody buy first CsW and want to breeding in the future, then must know any rules and eventually problems with it. Buying the dog just with planning, that I must have some speciality or breaking generaly breeding rules is, polite to say, miserable .

[carlos2207]

I like very much this post, I see very intelligent and razonable argument for not use the AI.

[Juniorwolf]

I think it is quit interesting, that non of you who have been speaking for AI, have commented the other solutions, now when you have so big problems by traveling to the stud dog...

Have you even tried to ask owners of stud dogs to fly the dog to you, so you don`t have to travel ?
Have you concidered to buy a stud dog(or more), which can be used more than once and with different females ?

Greetings Rolf

Originally Posted by rolf

Have you concidered to buy a stud dog(or more), which can be used more than once and with different females ?

I like this option, but it's a slippery slope and one that should be considered heavily before putting into action. While I'm sure you'd get a lot of useful litters out of the stud, you have to remember about genetic diversity. Going this route, you may run into the same problem of having a lot of repeat breeding. However, it's definitely a great idea, especially if the stud is an adult already and fully developed, so you know how well he would work with the females you'd want to breed.

Something also to consider is that "popular" stud dogs have been a problem with bottle-necking genetics in dogs in the past. The German Shepherd, for example, the dog used in producing CsVs in the first place, has this exact problem because in the past, popular, high-winning studs were used so often that they really shrank the genetic diversity in the dogs' pedigrees. GSDs are plagued with a host of genetic problems, and it's quite possible that the use of stud dogs in this way has played a factor. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I remember reading before that the ratio of studs to bitches in wolves in the wild is close to 50-50, but with purebred dogs, the numbers are greatly skewed, with far less studs being used than bitches.

Just something to think about!