'Just for fun' bonitation in Osieczna (PL)

wilczakrew · 26-10-2009, 23:17

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Originally Posted by *Satu

I was wondering... What differense was Osiescna and Pozna bonitations? Only comitee? and Organization? Official club?

There is no difference.
Both were made in Poland.
Both have the same meaning.

Rona asked inappropriate questions.

Should she ask what the way of the bonitation documents in a country where is the club.

You can not ask about the same thing in a country where there is no club, because there is nobody to answer.

*Satu · 27-10-2009, 00:15

Why only Osiecna bonitations is only X? but Pozna is correct?

Rona · 27-10-2009, 07:46

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Originally Posted by wilczakrew

Rona asked inappropriate questions.

My questrions are appropriate. I'm not interested in Osieczna or Późna bonitations- I've been to none and do not need/plan to bonitate my dog anywhere in the future.

I just wanted to learn how people, who organize bonitations in Germany, France. etc. deal with the bonitation documents to get a broader view on the topic discussed on the Polish forum.

wilczakrew · 27-10-2009, 13:51

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Originally Posted by Rona

My questrions are appropriate. I'm not interested in Osieczna or Późna bonitations- I've been to none and do not need/plan to bonitate my dog anywhere in the future.

I just wanted to learn how people, who organize bonitations in Germany, France. etc. deal with the bonitation documents to get a broader view on the topic discussed on the Polish forum.

In Poland we have no club.
So why ask someone who has it.
" in Germany, France. etc. "
There are breed clubs CSV.
I see no connection with the Polish.

Rona · 27-10-2009, 14:47

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Originally Posted by wilczakrew

In Poland we have no club.
So why ask someone who has it.
" in Germany, France. etc. "
There are breed clubs CSV.
I see no connection with the Polish.

I didn't address the question to you and it's not your problem why I want to learn something, is it?

BTW I'd like to thank those who sent me e-mails with explanations. Now I understand more, even the reason why wilczakrew is so anxious.

Nebulosa · 27-10-2009, 16:07

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Are the empty cards (and later, the bonitation documents) strictly registered and numbered by the national CSV clubs? Or, if the bonitation is organized in another country, can they be issued by the local national CSV clubs in their language and registered there?
What if there is no country CSV club? Where do the original bonitation cards of the bonitated dogs go in that case?

If the bonitation card are not numered and registered by national CsV club ( Slovak or Czech) so that means I can do my own bonitation here, using the most close kennel club we have or even opening a breding club, as I only need to contact a breeder/judge of the breed for make it and make a comitee of owners/breeder/judges.
If it happen so, bonitation will be more a joke than it already is.
Best think it need to be oficialized by the Slovak or Czech club, registered there, recognized by then.

Margo · 27-10-2009, 22:18

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Originally Posted by wilczakrew

There is no difference.
Both were made in Poland.
Both have the same meaning.

Osieczna jest prawie jak Zywiec... A jak wiesz "prawie robi wielka roznice"....

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Satu

Why only Osiecna bonitations is only X? but Pozna is correct?

Do you wonder?

Or maybe you are another person who the organizers forgot to tell that they made this bonitation only "for fun"...?

There was not real bonitation comittee, the bonitation was not made according the Czech rules and also the codes do not have the valid form.... We can not publish results of something like this - because saing theat dogs in Osieczna passed a BONITATION would be cheating....

WilczaKrew told us to remove all results of this bonitation as it was not official and we will never get the bonitation codes. And it has been done. Also the 'X' will dissappear...

Pavel · 27-10-2009, 22:31

The differences between two polish bonitations is, that one is with official delegated judge from club of country of origin and the second one made a normaly judge, which was invited from organisators.

Mikael · 27-10-2009, 22:38

Thanks for the answer Margo and Pavel.

I think it is VERY important to tell when it is official Bonoitation or an unofficial Bonitation ! And in English please so that (we) ho travel very very long do not travel all they way for a Bonitation we can not use for breeding and put on Pedigree

Very best regards / Mikael

*Satu · 27-10-2009, 23:53

Ok. But remember if any FCI judge makes any test or show whit out FCI-memberclub (Most be registered in FCI-member club) invitation all results are X. And Judges can have big problems whit FCI.
Every real FCI judge have same FCI rules where they can work.

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Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Thanks for the answer Margo and Pavel. I think it is VERY important to tell when it is official Bonoitation or an unofficial Bonitation ! And in English please so that (we) ho travel very very long do not travel all they way for a Bonitation we can not use for breeding and put on Pedigree Very best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

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*Satu Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 194	Ok. But remember if any FCI judge makes any test or show whit out FCI-memberclub (Most be registered in FCI-member club) invitation all results are X. And Judges can have big problems whit FCI. Every real FCI judge have same FCI rules where they can work. __________________ www.csv.fi

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Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	The differences between two polish bonitations is, that one is with official delegated judge from club of country of origin and the second one made a normaly judge, which was invited from organisators.