'Just for fun' bonitation in Osieczna (PL)

[Monika]

Originally Posted by Pavel

All bonitations, which are supported from Czech Club have a results on official Club pages (http://www.ceskoslovenskyvlcak.cz). Osieczna is not there.

Czech pages disclose no other bonitacion that not organized ... Italian, German, Polish, Belgian, Slovakian ..... it is bad argumnent. Information you can check at the administrators with name on http://www.ceskoslovenskyvlcak.cz
Polish breeders do not need Bonitace! Bonitacion is nothing for breeding, there, like nowhere in Europe (except CZ and Slovakia) is a voluntary activity and I completely don ´t understand the reaction are present fanatics. Again jealousy that someone let Bonitations hold, too in Poland?

[Navarre]

Originally Posted by Monika

Czech pages disclose no other bonitacion that not organized ... Italian, German, Polish, Belgian, Slovakian .....

Our last italian bonitace is in the list :
http://www.ceskoslovenskyvlcak.cz/in...ace&Itemid=108

[Hanka]

Yes, it was official bonitation organisated under czech club. Members of bonitation comission was: Jana Tomeskova (judge of czech club), Dana Matusincova (leader of czech breeding) and Ivana Stritezska (member of breedcomission).

[Monika]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes, it was official bonitation organisated under czech club. Members of bonitation comission was: Jana Tomeskova (judge of czech club), Dana Matusincova (leader of czech breeding) and Ivana Stritezska (member of breedcomission).

Italian bonitacion are organized under the Italian club C.C.L.C and ENCI 2 x per year.
The aforementioned 1 bonitations organized non - member of C.C.L.C. and for what?? ANY bonitacion is necessary for breeding in Italy and in all Europe (except Czech and Slovak) so I don ´t understand still, where is some problem? Only some people need to have some feeling
I am correct and others are wrong....
Can you imagine Italian Bonitations organized non-member of KCHČSV, member of C.C.L.C. for example in Czech in Prague? Yes, like "circus" certainly has, and certainly will in future use: 0)) I doubt that the results KCHCSV will accept as it no accepted the Italian club.
This is called interference in foreign affairs.
Similarly, the Czech club should not interfere in the settlement of Polish breeders !

[secki]

Originally Posted by Monika

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Come on Don Kichot, my little brave soldier, nobody will ever stop you !!
They all are wrong!!

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by Navarre

Our last italian bonitace is in the list :
http://www.ceskoslovenskyvlcak.cz/in...ace&Itemid=108

I dont speak about official italian bonitation, but about this one :
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/164.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/152.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/136.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/119.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/102.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/58.html

[Monika]

Today at the Czech Club website published an apology Monika Soukupova.
Bonitace in Osiezcna (PL) was made correctly and according to all rules.
Point 6. ( Kaufmanová informed sortly) is canceled!
Club website:
http://www.cswolfdog.cz/

Best greetings to all ordinary people who would like to Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and not politics and promote only their personal interests and views....

Monika

[Nebulosa]

Fine, in next dogshow I will call some FCI judges for we make official czech bonitations here also.

[Hanka]

I can copy here only the same like I wrote to my first topics. Czech club has nothing with bonitation in Osieczna. We did not organized it.
I will not change something on my topic.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hi, would it be possible to translate the "apology" and the rest?
Especially point 6.

Thanks in advance

[Rona]

Today at the Czech Club website published an apology Monika Soukupova.
Bonitace in Osiezcna (PL) was made correctly and according to all rules.
Point 6. ( Kaufmanová informed sortly) is canceled!

VS

Czech club has nothing with bonitation in Osieczna. We did not organized it.

So has the Czech Club finally formally accepted the bonitation or not? Does anybody know what the truth is? Maybe the President of the Club should write what the official standing of the Czech Club is and this would END this absurd dispute?

[Monika]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Fine, in next dogshow I will call some FCI judges for we make official czech bonitations here also.

Nebulosa, nobody sais that bonitacion was under Czech Club! But according to Czech rules, yes - judgement of exterier, measurement, character test, shooting. The results are accepted Czech Club like others strange bonitacion.... Italien, Belgian, German, France for example - only info more about dogs from countries where the breeders do not need it for breeding! Everybody can be organizators bonitacion and they DON´T NEED REQUEST FOR PERMISSION CZECH CLUB!

Read and translate well Mr. Skoupý. http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...70959&langid=1

BUt All cards from Osiezna Club received and has them!

Why you have problem with this, still?? Because Margo not was organizator?
The people made it optionally, they wanted to have some info more about their dogs! They didn ´t need this!
Why you must to have problem with everything??
Your dogs has some bonitacion official or unofficial?? NO? And you breed with them?

I made a lot of bonitacion and my the signature is on many bonitacion cards official Czech and unofficail too.

Reset and cancel them from wolfdog. org database, please. Thanks.

Monika

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Monika

Nebulosa, nobody sais that bonitacion was under Czech Club! But according to Czech rules, yes - judgement of exterier, measurement, character test, shooting. The results are accepted Czech Club like others strange bonitacion.... Italien, Belgian, German, France for example - only info more about dogs from countries where the breeders do not need it for breeding! Everybody can be organizators bonitacion and they DON´T NEED REQUEST FOR PERMISSION CZECH CLUB!

Nebulosa - what Monika is trying to explain to you: you do not need ANY rules.. Invite your friend who is a FCI judge for a grill party or a beer and make a bonitation. Make some measurements, shoot two times, and make some kind of character test... And the Czech Club will accpept it... If you will invite two other friends to the comittee it will be much more professional than the bonitation in Osieczna...


Sorry Monika but in this case the bonitations are no more needed in this breed because they are for NOTHING. If anyone can make ANY kind of bonitation according ANY rules and it will be accepted as VALID bonitation than why ANY club should invite you or any of the club judges? They don't need you... They can use any judge and make the bonitation according their own rules - prepare their own cards, and own regulation. Nobody must accept it, everybody can make measurements....

Sorry but you are starting again a new PARODY inside this breed... After registration of pseudo-wolfdogs and pseudo-club now you promoting pseudo-bonitation....

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Monika

I made a lot of bonitacion and my the signature is on many bonitacion cards official Czech and unofficail too.

Reset and cancel them from wolfdog. org database, please. Thanks.

Sorry but it is a very strange that an FCI judge have no idea what is a RULE. If you judge during a FCI dog show the results are accepted. If you make a dog show at you home you can even give a "World Winner" title to all dogs of your friends - but the titles EVEN GIVEN BY A OFFICIAL FCI JUDGE are worth NOTHING in this case.

Even child would get the difference...

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Monika

Nebulosa, nobody sais that bonitacion was under Czech Club! But according to Czech rules, yes - judgement of exterier, measurement, character test, shooting. The results are accepted Czech Club like others strange bonitacion....

I also dont say that the bonitation was under Czech club, but the fakt that "if" it was accepted as official by them, its the question.
For long time in some countries, breeders, clubs and owners had pay a lot for bring judges from Czech or Slovakia for judge a bonitation and have its code as official, and now we all know its not needed anymore, so I can make my own bonitation here also and it will be much valuated as the Czech one.

Originally Posted by Monika

Why you have problem with this, still?? Because Margo not was organizator?

Whats difference will make if it was Margo or Santa Claus?
If both follow the rules we all wait its really no problem, but when we have a bonitation in different way, with common FCI judge and without club or breed comission, so the things start to change and of course I will start to show more interess, as I want to have bonitated dogs here.
We all imagined that the bonitation need to follow some specific rules and be accepted before been done by the club for be considerated official and published as it, in this case we would have some costs for bring a recognized and accepted judge by the club, and make everything according Czech or Slovakian rules, as they wish, now we discouvered that its not needed anymore, so...

Originally Posted by Monika

Why you must to have problem with everything??
Your dogs has some bonitacion official or unofficial?? NO? And you breed with them?

I really have problems with nothing, principally in when we talk about rules as I follow "all rules of our club" and much more than it
By the rules of our kennel club we also dont need HD or ED results, we only need a pedigree female and mate it with other pedigree male of the same breed. Do you think it that right to do?
I dont make my dogs pass exams only because the clubs will or because rules, I do it because I want select the breed and of course like all bredders I want show my work for the breed lovers.
But I wondered...
I ever found bonitation simply a bright idea when it has been done properly, but seems that now it turns only in ego war for show "my dog have P1 your not" even if this P1 is a lie
Then, normaly breeders try to respect the origin countries will, and if you all do bonitation, so its because its needed and all others countries will try to do it also, so its normal that I want my dogs bonitated like all Czech or Slovakian dogs.
Even, someone already dared to ask why my dogs have no bonitations, so for avoid the common bad talk wich exist in all breeding community, I also want to make official bonitation, recognized by at least one of the orign countries.
That's why I wonder about this topic.