Dwarfism by Wolfdogs

[martiou07]

hello Monika, I am small French still beginner (only 7 years that I share my life with this fabulous race)…

I met you once, you judged one of my females (show and real bonitation.... only female M3 ) , i was charmed of this meeting and i very appreciated spoken with you.

I launched out in breeding amateur of this beautiful race last year, my pups my babies, I like them more than all, on the other hand a thing which I do not include/understand???

why and how dare to criticize a bitch born on your kennel (Jolly Z Molu Es), who more is one of your productions having made that your breeding is universally recognized????? an advertizing much better than that of will mutara???!!! no ?????

I find, always my point of view of beginner that Margo did a super work with this female, would owe between being you to trust, not?? If you knew what this master key with a standard born on your premise and alive in France (Velasquez Z Molu Es), apparently many control on him, on the other hand it is with its second projection on females without radio, and seen the problems there is in its line, I let to you guess on whom will fall down the fault and which breeding will be blamed if there is health issue in its descent ............

for finish, please :

and could you say some to us more on these famous problems in the line of Jolly, me (by my downward female of Jerry Lee) and much breeder works on this current of blood, it would be very interesting .........

just for information, my first pups are downward of Jolly, Jerry Lee and Merry Bell, no problem of nanism

[Monika]

Originally Posted by martiou07

hello Monika, I am small French still beginner (only 7 years that I share my life with this fabulous race)…

I met you once, you judged one of my females (show and real bonitation.... only female M3 ) , i was charmed of this meeting and i very appreciated spoken with you.

I launched out in breeding amateur of this beautiful race last year, my pups my babies, I like them more than all, on the other hand a thing which I do not include/understand???

why and how dare to criticize a bitch born on your kennel (Jolly Z Molu Es), who more is one of your productions having made that your breeding is universally recognized????? an advertizing much better than that of will mutara???!!! no ?????

I find, always my point of view of beginner that Margo did a super work with this female, would owe between being you to trust, not?? If you knew what this master key with a standard born on your premise and alive in France (Velasquez Z Molu Es), apparently many control on him, on the other hand it is with its second projection on females without radio, and seen the problems there is in its line, I let to you guess on whom will fall down the fault and which breeding will be blamed if there is health issue in its descent ............

for finish, please :

and could you say some to us more on these famous problems in the line of Jolly, me (by my downward female of Jerry Lee) and much breeder works on this current of blood, it would be very interesting .........

just for information, my first pups are downward of Jolly, Jerry Lee and Merry Bell, no problem of nanism

Is easy to take blood and send this to Utrecht, nothing more.
I criticize Jolly never, I like her, I selected her for Margo, she was best female from J litter....this is no criticism, sorry!
Do you saw results of dwarf test and who is carrier, do you see Alistar´s pup " Hantu " on photos?
Without test we can not be sure....only speculations... and this is no criticism, too.

Margo can make spekulation, insult dogs and make " bad blood between breeders and owners " always, when she wants.
She made spekulation about Veron ´s ED, so his owner made it officially for her! And now is problem to give his ED to database.

I am always last, who get involved to some " stupid discuss " here.
And I am sure, that " everywhere is something," as I wrote, alredy.
CSWs are too close population.
From wolfdog. org discussion get something, nobody. But I am not " Polish owner or breeder " and Margo not will manipulate or insult me or my dogs.

Monika

[martiou07]

thanks for this reponse ,

ok about Jolly, you speak about Jolly's line...

but please , can you speak about this ??

"and could you say some to us more on these famous problems in the line of Jolly, me (by my downward female of Jerry Lee) and much breeder works on this current of blood, it would be very interesting ......"

(About Veron, it's not my problem, i don't like this variant ........ )

[Monika]

Originally Posted by martiou07

thanks for this reponse ,

ok about Jolly, you speak about Jolly's line...

but please , can you speak about this ??

"and could you say some to us more on these famous problems in the line of Jolly, me (by my downward female of Jerry Lee) and much breeder works on this current of blood, it would be very interesting ......"

The dwarfism isn ´t "any catastrof " and we can work with this problem simly. Take your dogs 4 ml EDTA blood and send to Utrecht University if you want be sure about carriers.

Monika

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Monika

The dwarfism isn ´t "any catastrof " and we can work with this problem simly. Take your dogs 4 ml EDTA blood and send to Utrecht University if you want be sure about carriers.

Have you tested all your dogs and pups?

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by Monika

The dwarfism isn ´t "any catastrof " and we can work with this problem simly. Take your dogs 4 ml EDTA blood and send to Utrecht University if you want be sure about carriers.

Monika

thank you, but the subject on the nanism is present on the forum for a long time, i have evil to include/understand why this information arrives that now, you do not believe it would have was necessary to speak about it before so indeed c' was a reality???? still more on one line used as much…. You do not believe that you would have to make of it share much earlier for the continuation of the race?????? were breeder of this litter and this line , you to be well-informed to however be for a long time .....???? not???

[Monika]

Originally Posted by martiou07

thank you, but the subject on the nanism is present on the forum for a long time, I have evil to include/understand why this information arrives that now, do not believe not it would have was necessary to speak about it before so indeed was a reality???? still more on one line used as much…. do not believe not that you would have to make of it share much earlier for the continuation of the race?????? were breeder of this litter, you to be well-informed to however be for a long time .....???? not???

In CZ we understand " nanismus " isn ´t same like " dwarf syndrom " !

I know about article and official activities here about dwarf problem from beginning.
These activities not came from any Club.

...And all discussion about " some problems and dwarf, too " follow on from discussion and " doubts " here...nothing more.

For Rona. I don ´t know her, but she will be big breeder and big expert for CSWs, surly.

Dwarf is old problem, but now is more simly to do with this syndrom something.

Who was and will be tested is very easy to find.

Good night, Monika

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Monika

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For Rona. I don ´t know her, but she will be big breeder and big expert for CSWs, surly.

I'm not a breeder, nor an expert, nor intend to be a breeder but I own Jolly's grandaugher and sometimes find you posts a bit.... unclear

1. You suggested that Jolly's decsendant(s?) (Alistair?) carry the faulty gene.
2. Than you blamed Margo for not having tested Jolly + offsprings
3. Jolly comes from your kennel

The natural conclusion is that you have probably tested other 'z Molu Es' dogs (Jolly's sibilings and/or their offsprings?) and thus have relevant data that allow you to speak about this genetic fault in Jolly's line. Since I own Alistair's daughter it's obvious, that I'm intersted in your findings, isn't it?

You claim you're a CSV expert and fair breeder as so why don't you answer my plain question? Only because you don't know me???

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Monika

Do you saw results of dwarf test and who is carrier, do you see Alistar´s pup " Hantu " on photos?
Without test we can not be sure....only speculations... and this is no criticism, too.



Monika

I overread this part before. Do you speak about this dog: http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7920

If you really speak about the photos of this dog, are you kidding?????

Ina

[Monika]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I overread this part before. Do you speak about this dog: http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7920

If you really speak about the photos of this dog, are you kidding?????

Ina

Ina, please again!!
I don ´t speak about this dog : http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7920
I spoke about " Hantu " she is dead !

And I spoke about two dawrfs from article about dwarf syndrom.
Who want to find info, find it, and not will be speculate here.

Monika

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Monika

Ina, please again!!
I don ´t speak about this dog : http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7920
I spoke about " Hantu " she is dead !

And I spoke about two dawrfs from article about dwarf syndrom.
Who want to find info, find it, and not will be speculate here.

Monika

Well I did already find out by just asking people direktly. Maybe it would be a good moment for you to look into the mirror and stop speculating and gossiping. The damage you did to our breed is growing constantly, people hide things because of people like you.

And there are still 3 other questions for you to answer not to mention the ones asked in the month before.

Ina

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Monika

Ina, please again!!
I don ´t speak about this dog : http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7920
I spoke about " Hantu " she is dead !

And I spoke about two dawrfs from article about dwarf syndrom.
Who want to find info, find it, and not will be speculate here.

Monika

hmm but this litter have strong inbreed in dogs "z Molu es".

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by wolfin

hmm but this litter have strong inbreed in dogs "z Molu es".

Bad Daiva, BAD!!!