handling of health problems

wolfin · 08-01-2010, 23:28

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Originally Posted by Hanka

yes Daiva, we can open these topics: dwarfism, broken tails, HD,ED, epilepsy, lost teeth, shynnes, not correct bitting, mixing between saarloses, Mutaras......
And our population will have only 10 wolfdogs

yes, "broken tail" is problem, I think in much countries nobody control it on bonitation and in breeding is much dogs with it.
We can only inform all judges they must touch every dog on bonitation.
is much potentional problems, we know it.
But in the end we can be happy, because our breed is health. Look at german sheepdogs

but when have this name topic, this ONLY help for us all. Or not?
But we mas speak about this. I think You too not have 100 % healty dog like and others, alls dogs have this same grand- grand- grand- parents, and all mas speak about this. If dogs not have problems in reality this does not mean this problem be in future.
I only please, people when know dogs who have this BROKEN tail please send my private info if not want say this in forum. And realy not believe in this when my say " this not exist".

wolfin · 08-01-2010, 23:32

and p.s. this is very good for us.
Mijke work with dwarf,
Ina -with HD genetic test,
I -with broken tail
others with...
and in this method we can have very good info data basa about problems in one place.

Hanka · 08-01-2010, 23:35

You can have info from czech bonitations on czech club page. results are there after every bonitation.

wolfin · 08-01-2010, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Hanka

You can have info from czech bonitations on czech club page. results are there after every bonitation.

yes, only I mas think writte to your club - send to Dana or others contact person? and please all info about this, not all ( old ) bonitation are publiced in cz csv club web site.

Hanka · 08-01-2010, 23:42

Yes, old bonitation are not there. "Somebody"

attacked our old club pages and gived there some virus. We know who it was.
So club must create new pages and old info are not there. You must contact Helena or Dana about old results of bonitations. ask them.

wolfin · 08-01-2010, 23:44

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Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes, old bonitation are not there. "Somebody"

attacked our old club pages and gived there some virus. We know who it was.
So club must create new pages and old info are not there. You must contact Helena or Dana about old results of bonitations. ask them.

ok thanks

i make this

mijke · 09-01-2010, 02:05

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Originally Posted by wolfin

but when have this name topic, this ONLY help for us all. Or not?
But we mas speak about this. I think You too not have 100 % healty dog like and others, alls dogs have this same grand- grand- grand- parents, and all mas speak about this. If dogs not have problems in reality this does not mean this problem be in future.
I only please, people when know dogs who have this BROKEN tail please send my private info if not want say this in forum. And realy not believe in this when my say " this not exist".

Thanks Daiva!

Personal don't know this problem in Holland with CsW, but only in my other breeds. But when I discover here a CsW with this problem I will inform you!

In every breed their will appear more and more genetic health defects, because of the small gene pools. (for example because of the "Founder-effect"; when a superior male was used in almost all family groups)

That is why in some breeds it is already obligated by the breed clubs to do all available DNA tests before breeding. And some breed clubs requires blood samples of all stud dogs and their offspring. (so they can use it in future for new DNA tests for the breed.)
Genetic specialists and universities are telling more and more that the possible inheritance of diseases can become more clear when the health info of a breed is linked to pedigrees.

Some breeds did start with international databases with all test results, health info and all death causes.
But when breeders don't want to publish test info and health info (because they are afraid for "bad name") it is only short time thinking for a breed. :
(and in my opinion only foolish commercial thinking)

In years will become clear how great this "behavior" was for the future of some breeds......
How many breeds will survive the next 50 or 100 years???

It would be much better when breeders don't tell any longer fairy tales about the great health of a breed to future buyers and interested people.

On BBC and in Holland were already programs with info about awful diseases in some breeds. And I hope there will come more such info programs!
And only when breeders will more cooperate and honest share test and health info, we can save breeds for future.

It is a pity that even here on this informative site we can't discuss "open and honest" about health problems, test info, how to solve problems, because of total useless accusations to each other.

We have to realize that most writers here "know" each other and understand what is going on.
But we also have a lot of "only readers" and they maybe can think because of all these discussions that something is wrong with "honest breeders" who speak about problems.

Maybe it is a possibility to start first also a special breed/stud dog forum (just like the administrator forum) on this site (for registered breeders and stud dog owners) where we can speak and discuss more open without fear. And later on we can inform everybody.

I have more info and questions then only dwarfism. And till now I only can share and speak about this with people I trust (because I don't want to harm any breeder in a public forum)

For example only a personal one: When I did have a kind of disaster with my last litter (all pups dead in last week before birth ), I did speak about this open and honest in the Dutch forum. I did make several tests with my female and did let make special investigation on all dead pups, but there was not any reason found. But I would like to have info of other breeders who did have bad experiences with a litter without the reason was found.
And till now I only did share all the details and info with a few breeders that I know and trust. And from them, I did receive personal also honest info about "strange births" and "dead pups".
But it would be great if more breeders could share such info without fear for bad name in public!

I know personal for example also CsW's with EPI, Epilepsy and DM and I am sure there will be for sure more in this breed! Just like there will be (or appear) other genetic diseases.
And now we have still the option to be silent, keep our eyes closed, or speak honest about this and share the info and try to avoid more health problems.
Later on it is maybe to late......

Hanka · 09-01-2010, 02:16

Yes, epilepsy is I think more often than dwarfism. Our breedcomission watch it too.

Nebulosa · 09-01-2010, 02:47

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Originally Posted by Wolfin

Mijke work with dwarf,
Ina -with HD genetic test,
I -with broken tail
others with...

Only for one small add here, i'm searching for informations about eyes diseases in the breed and ED, so who knows something about it and wants share informations i'm open.

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Originally Posted by Mijke

It is a pity that even here on this informative site we can't discuss "open and honest" about health problems, test info, how to solve problems, because of total useless accusations to each other

It can be partialy solved with more strict act by the moderation here, as I wrote before, is only the users decide it, but even we can't hold poisonous tongues.

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Originally Posted by Mijke

Maybe it is a possibility to start first also a special breed/stud dog forum (just like the administrator forum) on this site (for registered breeders and stud dog owners) where we can speak and discuss more open without fear. And later on we can inform everybody.

Its simply a great idea!

michaelundinaeichhorn · 09-01-2010, 08:45

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Only for one small add here, i'm searching for informations about eyes diseases in the breed and ED, so who knows something about it and wants share informations i'm open.

As we have to do eye-tests with specialists every year for breeding I can ask for special results in CSW.
I know of a few cases of glaucoma, nobody knows if the cases are caused genetically, according to German specialists you can breed the offspring as long as you make eye tests.
I heard of a maybe-case of PRA in North Germany close to the Dutch border but it wasn´t sure then and it was then already under discussion that there are SWD-mixes. SWD have a huge problem with genetic PRA. As the dog was controlled in Germany it won´t get breeding permission here, the specialists are very strict.
By the way eye tests are offered on every German CACIB, they also are a little bit cheaper. The DOK, the organisation of eye-specialists, does delegate some members to every exhibition.

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

It can be partialy solved with more strict act by the moderation here, as I wrote before, is only the users decide it, but even we can't hold poisonous tongues.

Its simply a great idea!

I also think this forum is a great idea and I am for more strict acting by the moderators.

Ina

08-01-2010, 23:32	#2
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	and p.s. this is very good for us. Mijke work with dwarf, Ina -with HD genetic test, I -with broken tail others with... and in this method we can have very good info data basa about problems in one place. __________________

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08-01-2010, 23:35	#3
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	You can have info from czech bonitations on czech club page. results are there after every bonitation.

08-01-2010, 23:42	#5
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Yes, old bonitation are not there. "Somebody" attacked our old club pages and gived there some virus. We know who it was. So club must create new pages and old info are not there. You must contact Helena or Dana about old results of bonitations. ask them.

09-01-2010, 02:16	#8
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Yes, epilepsy is I think more often than dwarfism. Our breedcomission watch it too.