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Old 23-01-2010, 15:39   #1
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I'm against of moving the dogs wih ED problems of the list, in Holland as Mijke already mentioned ED is not nescessary yet for breeding.

That is the reason why I didn't do the test yet, If my dog would be selected as a stud dog (which I now think he is to young for), than I can still make the x-ray if the female is x-rayed.

For now I don't have any problems, so for his health I don't have to make the pictures, and of course I know you cannot believe somebody on his/her words.
So why not just put the results in the list, so that every breeder can select the right male/female for his/her dog, I don't think the average wolfdog visitor is THAT stupid that he cannot make a choice for himself.

So I am AGAINST of removing the dogs without he ED results.

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Old 23-01-2010, 18:47   #2
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Paula moved away the part about "Admin"
Some kind of sleepwalking.

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So I am AGAINST of removing the dogs without he ED results.
I think people need a time to get adaptated, also I dont believe some people will make the dogs pass again for the anesthesie only for make ED results.
Would be more fair if start to require the ED results for the new stud dogs, dogs born from half of 2008 ahead.
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Old 23-01-2010, 19:19   #3
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I don't think you need anaesthesia for the elbows (with a normal dog )
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Old 25-01-2010, 17:01   #4
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Old 26-01-2010, 18:31   #5
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Hallo, nice to meet everyone!

Let's actualize the list:
dany
bonfiglioli
hayla
riko06
star
sunnyna
betti
piccolino
anastasia
laila
edha
jal
molisanodream
starjumper
erica&amy
elisaP
i piccy
Antarctica
arf
woland77
aly87
matteo&martina
valentina
frafairy
na
mogwai
divina
maya
ciao69
bricicca1
arnaldo it
venerusoangelo
giobi 81
tatanka1094
luca
pisculli
marco
zach
chiara.giardini
m.greta
Lyudmila Encheva
roby e gaio
sirius
zattilio
littlewolf
fede86
denial
odisseo
sciamalaia
robykut
MariNoor
amaguk
ezibaby
gilda
ste
chepi
ciao69
riko06
mat
littlewolf
hadankama
ovogibba
wolflinx
germans
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vassel
laila
martab
navarre
Mikael
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z Peronoòwki
michaelundinaeicchorn
mijke
Nebulosa
Rona
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whereas Jmvdwiel is "against of removing the dogs without ED results", but I guess not against including dogs WITH ED results, whatever the result is. Is it correct?
Are we in 78 or 79?
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Old 26-01-2010, 18:46   #6
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I think we should include dogs with any results of ED in the list and not to exclude people who do not have the results yet.
I think it is better to know that hiding, since it is not an official list of a specific club .
If I'm wrong or if you do not agree please say your opinion ..
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Old 26-01-2010, 19:48   #7
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I think it's important to publish all results and announce dogs in the list, which have a breeding license in their country.
It's my decision and my responsibility to take a male with bad results to my female. (surely it shouldn't be)
If all results are published without evaluating, mybe people will send more results to the database.
Like Ina and other breeders, I want to know as much as possible about the dogs and the next of kin.

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Old 26-01-2010, 18:55   #8
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Hallo, nice to meet everyone!

Let's actualize the list:
dany
bonfiglioli
hayla
riko06
star
sunnyna
betti
piccolino
anastasia
laila
edha
jal
molisanodream
starjumper
erica&amy
elisaP
i piccy
Antarctica
arf
woland77
aly87
matteo&martina
valentina
frafairy
na
mogwai
divina
maya
ciao69
bricicca1
arnaldo it
venerusoangelo
giobi 81
tatanka1094
luca
pisculli
marco
zach
chiara.giardini
m.greta
Lyudmila Encheva
roby e gaio
sirius
zattilio
littlewolf
fede86
denial
odisseo
sciamalaia
robykut
MariNoor
amaguk
ezibaby
gilda
ste
chepi
ciao69
riko06
mat
littlewolf
hadankama
ovogibba
wolflinx
germans
ornella
vassel
laila
martab
navarre
Mikael
Runningwolf
z Peronoòwki
michaelundinaeicchorn
mijke
Nebulosa
Rona
Americani

whereas Jmvdwiel is "against of removing the dogs without ED results", but I guess not against including dogs WITH ED results, whatever the result is. Is it correct?
Are we in 78 or 79?
-1 read Mijke´s post nr 3 and 8

It is to be 77-1 I think

Very best regards / Mikael
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Old 26-01-2010, 19:11   #9
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-1 read Mijke´s post nr 2 and 8

Ii is to be 77-1 I think

Very best regards / Mikael
I understand that you wish to include only dogs with HD and ED results. And I think that this is the wish everyone has.
But in this moment we have to consider that dogs without ED results are included, whereas dogs with not positive ED results are excluded.

I believe that the FIRST STEP to be taken is to include all dogs with or without ED results, and not to discriminate dogs with "not perfect" ED results, as explained in the petition. (this is MY personal point of view, not the point of view of all the petitioners)

Only afterwards, we can think about new rules to be applied.
The point is that the actual situation is clearly unfair and discriminatory, and needs to be changed immediately.
Agreeing on the "new rules" to be applied is much more complicated, and requires reasonings to be shared...this is my thought but I am more than willing to consider different proposals
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Old 26-01-2010, 22:00   #10
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Yes you are totally correct
But you can call me Judith

whereas Jmvdwiel is "against of removing the dogs without ED results", but I guess not against including dogs WITH ED results, whatever the result is. Is it correct?
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Old 26-01-2010, 23:32   #11
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thank you Judith and Mikael
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