Short coat defect

[Dacota]

Originally Posted by Silvester

It´s thick coat, but not very long.

Yeah, that's right Well, I think I have maybe more than 6000 photos, because I make each year about 2000 photos from my dogs With a good camera, it makes very fun. (beside Dacota I have 2 other dogs )
So, it's not a secret where I live Exactly in the north from Berlin (part of Brandenburg). But - are you only talking English or maybe German, too?

[Silvester]

Good morning "Dakota"....

sure I´m speaking German also - I will send you pm in the afternoon, now i have to work.

See you , Silvester

[Vaiva]

Nice discussion
I am also interested, whan do your dogs shed the most?
Brukne lives inside and preferes sleeping in bed , but still has big difference between winter and summer coat. The strange thing is, that her coat usually looks best around... March. And she sheds hardest around August. At the moment she looks worse than these homeless dogs on the adds of animal shelters In August I was starting to think, whether I should keep vacum-cleaning the floor, or it is better to leave it as it is and wait for a natural felt carpet to form...

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

I am also interested, whan do your dogs shed the most?
Brukne lives inside and preferes sleeping in bed , but still has big difference between winter and summer coat. The strange thing is, that her coat usually looks best around... March. And she sheds hardest around August. At the moment she looks worse than these homeless dogs on the adds of animal shelters In August I was starting to think, whether I should keep vacum-cleaning the floor, or it is better to leave it as it is and wait for a natural felt carpet to form...

This was exactly our experience with Tina and now with Lorka. She lives indoors, too. In January/February she was almost bald, had the thickest coat around April/May (with a nice collar) and is now finishing heavy shredding. I'm aware that by spending around 3 hrs per day in the cold weather she will never get as thick fur as dogs living outdoors.

But what matters more, in my opinion, is the the quality of the coat: she has hair of various length and quality, she never gets really wet in rain or snow (i.e. her undercoat is always dry and really dense in the 'winter edition'), I don't know how to call it technically, but the coat seems to clean itself. Unless she uses the "perfumes" we don't need to wash her at all, occassional brushing is enough to keep the fur in good condition.

Originally Posted by Rona

This was exactly our experience with Tina and now with Lorka. She lives indoors, too. In January/February she was almost bald, had the thickest coat around April/May (with a nice collar) and is now finishing heavy shredding. I'm aware that by spending around 3 hrs per day in the cold weather she will never get as thick fur as dogs living outdoors.

Do you and Vaiva possibly live in very climate controlled environments? If you keep it nice and toasty inside during winter and nice and cool inside during summer, that could account for the "backwards" coats. I know a few years back, we must have kept it really warm in our apartment, because Buddy (our husky) had SUCH a thin coat that winter that he became a huge baby about going out when it was super cold! haha The next year, we didn't keep it as warm and we made a point to take him on multiple long walks through the freezing winter. It only took a few times for him to build up his tolerance to the point where he could stand walking in -0F temperatures when we wouldn't even want to be out there! Now, if only I could get the same results some how for a summer coat.... His coat gets SO confused in the summer, between the hot, hot temperature outside and the nice, cool A/C, that he just continually sheds. I thought finally we were done with it for awhile, when he started blowing coat again! Hopefully this will be the last time until after winter...

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Vicky

Do you and Vaiva possibly live in very climate controlled environments? If you keep it nice and toasty inside during winter and nice and cool inside during summer, that could account for the "backwards" coats.

Well... We live in a simple flat and we do not deside upon the temperature in winter It is just as it is I like it colder, but my orchids don't, so... we do not open the windows very often in winter And our home is not conditioned in summer
Having in mind, that last winter we had a temperature around 20 degrees celsium of cold for maybe two months (they say this winter will be even colder) and more than 30 degrees celsium of heat in summer (hate it, truly HATE)... Brukne should not be mixing it too much...

[hanninadina]

Hey Margo, I know what you mean. There are a few csw with long hair, like some people say, they look like Collie. These dogs I do not mean. There are of course a few who have "open" coat, but these you find in germany, poland, czech, slow, hungary, everywhere. I meant the csw in italy who have thick and long coat - not long like Collie, but like wolf. And there are more than in other countries!

For these good examples, you can not compare Dacota with Emba. Dacota has thick coat and I believe you can not even see the skin if you try to watch. This is like Myla has too. But Emba has wolfish coat, thick and long - I repeat, not Collie long. She got all the "wolf" genes, which are needed.

That Malamute and Siberian Huskys shed like wolves is very easy, because they have still wolf genes in them, like Prof. Dr. Robert Wayne from the University of California from Los Angles published this april. And that is for example why Basenji get only once a year in heat like wolves due, because they have wolf gene in them too, like Saluki and Chow Chow. One part of wolf genes is more for the coat (Mala, Husk) and the other for example the heat circle (Basenji, Saluki). Again, I do not talk about exceptions but about the average dogs from the mentioned breeds.

Christian

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Vicky

Do you and Vaiva possibly live in very climate controlled environments? If you keep it nice and toasty inside during winter and nice and cool inside during summer, that could account for the "backwards" coats. I know a few years back, we must have kept it really warm in our apartment, because Buddy (our husky) had SUCH a thin coat that winter that he became a huge baby about going out when it was super cold! haha

Well, we live in an old house and can control the temperature ourselves but I don't see much sense in suffering from the cold just to keep my dog beautiful What I found strange was that even though my csv was almost "naked" in January, she loved spending time outdoors in -25 C. She was running a lot and playing with other dogs (to keep warm?) but neither showed any signs of being cold nor wanted to go back home .

Also this coat makes it difficult to wash out all the smelly things out of it

Exactly!!!! A few weeks ago she gave herself a 'beauty bath' in something that looked like remains of wolves' feast. When she came running my husband joked that we could easily win a dogtrailing competition. Despite our efforts the echo of this smell still crops up from time to time

[Silvester]

Originally posted by "hanninadina":
"For these good examples, you can not compare Dacota with Emba. Dacota has thick coat and I believe you can not even see the skin if you try to watch. This is like Myla has too. But Emba has wolfish coat, thick and long - I repeat, not Collie long. She got all the "wolf" genes, which are needed."

Yeah,that´s right - and this was ONE reason why i choosed her as the mother and one puppy of her last litter ( kennel of Carlos Antonio - Lupus Ibericus )for becoming my new Csw !

Greetings from Silvester

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Rona

But what matters more, in my opinion, is the the quality of the coat: she has hair of various length and quality, she never gets really wet in rain or snow

Also this coat makes it difficult to wash out all the smelly things out of it Because when you finally make it wet till the skin, the dog is too bored to stand any longer in the bath and tries to escape

O.T. The most terrible thing used as a perfume was a mushroom (don't know the scientific name, but it is called "wolf's mushroom" in simple language) - I washed her many times to take off the SMELL, but it came back every time Brukne got wet... for... about six months...