Puppy prices

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by massimo

Vaiva, apart from telling you your profile picture is the best I have ever seen (beautiful dog and even more owner!), your story is touching and ever so true.

I've blushed and we both (Brukne and me) are giggling
Yes, giving our best to the dogs always pays in many different ways

[Sherdor]

I think a french breeder with profesional status could give an interesting point of view.

Here in France the main breeders have got "amator" status, that means they are not knows from ADMINISTRATIVES SERVICES like TAX OFFICE or VETERINARIAN INSPECTION SERVICES.

That explain a lot of things according to puppy price !!!

First, if you are PROFESIONAL BREEDERS (registered as profesional but maybe with ONLY FEW LITTERS) you have to pay each year :
- a minimum of charge about SOCIAL TAX,
- the kennel structures respecting the law (kennel with enough spaces, park for dogs, allowed fences, system to eliminate wastes and easily washes)
- all operations in the breeding station must be followed and written onto specific documents (or informatic system)... so that means you have to make all vaccinativ, anti-worming, desinfection program and all is written with invoices from vet...

No way to not make it ! Each dog which enters the breeding station must be registered, and so when left...
When you breed some breeds you also have to pay specific insurance policy.

All of that means : money for investment and time to make all works = CHARGES to put in puppy price !

For all breeder, of course, you have to nourrish the dogs, and followed the right cares for them (and vets cost !!!)... for all dogs... the oldest one, even you don't use them in your breeding program.

Then, when you have the objectiv to breed good dog (excellent ?) you have to follow some rules :

- be sure that you dogs are almost good = going to dogshow and evaluate the dogs... (just as example : my loved Ar'wan has made more than 50 dogshows and seen more than 30 differents judges and i think about 25 % in foreign countries)...
A dog carrier cost a lot...

- to choose some male according to your objectives and maybe have to travel for that (that costs)... and most of time, to pay the dog owner because you have to use his dog !

Then for the mother all vet care must be ok : anti-worming, echography, radiography....

When puppies are borned, same things (and sometimes ceaseran operation !) anti-worming, vaccinativ program, pedigree registration and so...

Selling a puppy is a thing, and each breeders give the garanty he wants after that...

First are medical guaranty (if the puppy has got problem, the breeder is responsible to cure the dog or participate).

Personnaly, we choose to offer "all life dog advicing" to help them good growing, to obtain good socializacion, and make them well integrated in the new family for happy life... that means "taking our cellular and be available for customer".

Sometimes guaranty must be about dogshow or breeding carrier..., and pass by a good selection according to customer wishes.

... and them, when puppy is adult, if you consider you have breeded interesting dog, the minimum is to present them in dogshow... and i usually used to take some dogs with me in my car, to pay dogshow even they are not mine.

Some breeders (WE) organize obedience training or plan regular meeting in the year to make customers to meet each others and exchange knowledge and experience...
This is also strong guaranty for new owner to be helped by experienced people...
... and preparing that meetings means also time, some food and confort...

So i think these argues are enought numerous to explain what you could have difference between dog prices...

... and a price means not only "the dog"... but often a lot of guaranty !

By that, sometimes a price of 1000 € could be expensive compare to a 1200 € price with a log of things included with the dog !

[Hanka]

Hi Eric, so it is easy!!! : go quickly to university, study and when you will be veterinarian, make your own professional kennel and you wil save money for veterinary service .
Happy new year

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Sherdor

I think a french breeder with profesional status could give an interesting point of view.

But this is very similar for every country and doesn't explane the price differences In Lithuania you also should pay taxes and get a paper from veterinary service IF you are living from breeding. I am not so sure about veterinary documents, but you have to pay taxes if you get income from selling puppies REGULARY and if you do not have any other income (like salary).

Em, also it is an interesting topic - what part of official minimum salary does a puppy price in different countries take? Could anyone count these things?

[Sherdor]

Hanka i have profesional breeder status (my wife) because we have choosen :
- to give our puppies owner some guaranty,
- to avoid people jalousy would have the idea to inform tax services if we have one litter,
- by that we are known by administrativ services and local town to be serious (we often receive lost dog from policemen or town employees to keep them a night until refugees open doors on the morning)

Unfortunally, we have profesional status but we breed a few puppies each year (even with our rottweiler)... 23 puppies in 3 year for CWs...

... that means much more charge than money earn ...

As i remember, first year... -7000 € (year for installing everything)....the second -3000 € ... This year.... due to our big charges in veterinarian.... hum that hurt my head (only a few puppies also)

.... if i want cash back our charge onto puppy price, i haven't evaluate it yet... but i imagine a BIG SELLING PRICE...

I made some evaluation to earn money with dog breeding...

To imagine an income enought and regular, it would be more than 150 of puppies each year based on a 30 females and of course some males....
(And the medium price is 500 € for each puppy, because in this way you have to take in mind that not only CWs but several breed...)

The cost structure would be huge (not under 50000 € if you made it by yourself), and authorization particular.

[martiou07]

hello,interesting, yes indeed, a professional breeding will have more load compared to the tax, nevertheless, I do not see which additional guarantee you can provide a small breeding family will not be able to provide.

I remain persuaded that all breeder worthy of this name will be in measurement; to bring the same thing exactly.

However, that comforts me, I have a small breeding family, the accounts are always in the red, but I simply live my passion without having to count what each one of my dogs report to me or not…

[Sherdor]

... You are true for some point ....

But you can have a REGISTERED STATUS (i.e. PROFESIONAL BREEDER) and PROVIDE HIGH GUARANTEE according to the way of breeding, taking puppies inside house and every care about socializacion.

The MOST IMPORTANT is that in PROFESIONAL STATUS you engage YOUR RESPONSABILITY ACCORDING TO LAW much more than amator status... and also about puppies health.

In case of problem, the law is more strict with profesional...

I remain persuaded that all breeder worthy of this name will be in measurement; to bring the same thing exactly.

The only difference is the COST OF BREEDING... only this point ... and what is your due to ADMINISTRATION... and that costs !

... and the subject is to try to explain SELLING PRICE DIFFERENCE ...

... not to compare what you are able to do or not... just to give elements for explaining the price.

The only "price" doesn't explain anything...

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Sherdor

The MOST IMPORTANT is that in PROFESIONAL STATUS you engage YOUR RESPONSABILITY ACCORDING TO LAW much more than amator status...

Even not being a "professional" breeder, you can (should) sign a contract, where both - breeder and new owner - have their responsibilities signed. And it works just the same.