Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

[wolfin]

Сообщение от Juri Z.P.

Yes!!!
very important and I hope is more to follow...

Today I have ordered Laborklin to create a DNA profile of Juri. Also for the future Juri's (Zlata Palz) blood is stored at laborklin and it is available for more test requests and - or - direct comparisons of his "children" ect....! Now DNA profile from Juri takes about 2-4 weeks.

thanks and best greetings back from - juri sunshine

Thaaanks We in Lithuania too have DNA tested dogs, and I think in next litter I make DNA profile for male too ( pay self) for futuring DNA profile in pedigree for puppy. Realy great idea breed CSV with DNA profile, this not very big cost but, like see situation who have now, very help for making pure CSV gens maps.

[draggar]

Сообщение от Juri Z.P.

Yes!!!
very important and I hope is more to follow...


Today I have ordered Laborklin to create a DNA profile of Juri. Also for the future Juri's (Zlata Palz) blood is stored at laborklin and it is available for more test requests and - or - direct comparisons of his "children" ect....! Now DNA profile from Juri takes about 2-4 weeks.


thanks and best greetings back from - juri sunshine

I wonder if something like this is available in the USA?

[GalomyOak]

Сообщение от draggar

I wonder if something like this is available in the USA?

Yes, it's available from OFFA/AKC, and is mandatory before you register a litter from imported parent(s), or a foreign sire/AI.

[draggar]

Сообщение от GalomyOak

Yes, it's available from OFFA/AKC, and is mandatory before you register a litter from imported parent(s), or a foreign sire/AI.

It sounds like you're saying AKC has actually done something ethical.

Will AKC do it with dogs who aren't from import parents? I'm wondering if we should store the DNA of our dogs here too incase something pops up?

[GalomyOak]

Сообщение от draggar

It sounds like you're saying AKC has actually done something ethical.

Will AKC do it with dogs who aren't from import parents? I'm wondering if we should store the DNA of our dogs here too incase something pops up?

Absolutely. In either case, the owner pays for it (around US$50-60, as I recall). I think it is VERY important, given the number of American wolfdogs here, and the propensity of some people to exploit dogs/wolves/our breed for their own personal gain. The big downfall to this is the DNA tests are done by the owner, at home, and submitted by mail.

[yukidomari]

Сообщение от GalomyOak

The big downfall to this is the DNA tests are done by the owner, at home, and submitted by mail.

They really need to make it like how FAVN rabies titers are done for travel.... by a USDA licensed vet, on permanently ID'd animals, and approved/signed off on by the USDA chief vet of each state. Otherwise there's still just the opportunity that DNA is simply taken from wrong animals to begin with.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hi,

if you're talking about Saarloos mixes have a look what CSW won the show in this Finnish town on June 19th...

Michael

[Mikael]

Сообщение от draggar

Give me a Saarloos and my club could have him taking bites on a sleeve in 3 months.

Ed, you did absolutly newer meet a Saarloos

This is a Saarloos doing Schutzhund ....

Best regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Сообщение от michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi,

if you're talking about Saarloos mixes have a look what CSW won the show in this Finnish town on June 19th...

Michael

Can you put up a link to it ???

Best regards / Mikael

[Juri Z.P.]

OT

Сообщение от wolfin

Thaaanks Realy great idea breed CSV with DNA profile, this not very big cost but, like see situation who have now, very help for making pure CSV gens maps.

Great!!!great idea - dogs tested DM - DNA detection original package TWH.
And only those dogs may have this name CSV.
My Dream...

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Сообщение от Mikael

Can you put up a link to it ???

Best regards / Mikael

http://www.wolfdog.org/deu/shows/4297.html

[Morian]

heh people... better look here - euro winner

[draggar]

Сообщение от Mikael

Ed, you did absolutly newer meet a Saarloos

This is a Saarloos doing Schutzhund ....

Best regards / Mikael

That all depends on the helper, the trainers, and the handler.

How is the Saarloos' brain? Are they very smart?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Сообщение от draggar

That all depends on the helper, the trainers, and the handler.

and the dog...

[Priska182]

Сообщение от michaelundinaeichhorn

http://www.wolfdog.org/deu/shows/4297.html

Wow interesting CsV :-/

[Lorry - MLS]

Сообщение от Sona_Bognarova

Doing a DNA test is just the step A,

Who is eligible to ask for a test ?
Provided the owner/breeder agrees to do the test, who covers the test and related costs?

I want to clarify that for me, the only thing that mattered was whether the father was well Galiba Sibir ..... or not ...(?).
1) I proposed to Molnar Edit to get around Hungary with my vet for a blood test of an official nature ....
2) I also proposed to take charge of my office (both for the journey, the compensation for my vet who has lost 48 hours to make the trip, rather than in his clinic and then DNA testing)
In vain ....

If I had an agreement, either the breeder or the owner, at present, many questions are already resolved

Both for my breeder, as for many others, who have daughters or son of Galiba and that could, in turn, make checks parentage

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Je tiens à préciser que pour ma part, la seule chose qui m'importait c'était de savoir si Galiba étai bien le père de Sibir ou pas ....

J'ai proposé à Edit Molnar de me déplacer en Hongrie, avec mon vétérinaire pour faire une prise de sang à caractère officiel....
J'ai proposé également de prendre les frais à ma charge (aussi bien pour le trajet, le défraiement de mon vétérinaire qui aurait perdu 48h à faire le voyage, au lieu d'être dans sa clinique et ensuite les tests ADN )

En vain ....

Si j'avais eu un accord, soit de l'éleveuse, soit du propriétaire, à l'heure actuelle, beaucoup de questions seraient déjà résolues
Aussi bien pour mon élevage que pour beaucoup d'autres, qui ont des filles ou fils de Galiba et qui auraient pu, à leur tour, faire des controles de filiation ...

[nanouk]

Сообщение от draggar

That all depends on the helper, the trainers, and the handler.

How is the Saarloos' brain? Are they very smart?

I can tell you that you will not be able to work with a typical saarloos. It might bite on a sleeve on your arm as in play, but than he won't even bite sufficient. Its nature is simply against it, is will to flee overcomes his will to attack!

[Mikael]

Сообщение от Morian

heh people... better look here - euro winner

Euro Winner... Ho was the judge ???

Best regards / Mikael

[draggar]

Сообщение от Admin

The Crying Wolf kennel was known for years for dogs which hardly reach the minimum size. Now we have mystery litters where dogs grow bigger even than the Czech lines.
The same is visible in France where out of parent of average and above the

(snip)

The size is not the only proof but can be another advice that something is really going on in the mentioned lines.

What's the proof? I'm only asking because we have Pollux, one of Yolka's sons. Size, color, and temperament contribute to suspicion but no proof.

The only evidence I see here right now was in post #130:

Сообщение от Sona_Bognarova

At present, Issar Kollarov dvor really is in Crying Wolf kennel but I am still his owner. Mating Issar x Flash CW (litter Y CW) happened when Issar was still at my place and when I was present there.

Sona said that Issar was with them at the time of the breeding but it's unclear if that means that they had the breeding at their location (and witnessed it) or that Issar was with them while the breeding allegedly happened somewhere else.

The first scenareo would help justify that Yolka is pure but the second would prove that the pedigree isn't accurate.

I asked for clarification but I haven't heard back.

[admin]

Сообщение от draggar

What's the proof? I'm only asking because we have Pollux, one of Yolka's sons. Size, color, and temperament contribute to suspicion but no proof.

Yes, that's true. The problem with Crying wolf kennel is that it lost totally its credibility. The lack of will for cooperation makes it more and more suspicious. It is the reason for more and more accusations I receive. The facts are - different look, different characters and bigger sizes of the dogs. Nut it can be still explicable.
What is not explicable are the puppies of Yarl Yanatos Crying Wolf looking for example like a husky-GSD-mix:

It is a mutt for sure - we have to find out where is the problem for such untypical puppies.

Сообщение от draggar

Sona said that Issar was with them at the time of the breeding but it's unclear if that means that they had the breeding at their location (and witnessed it) or that Issar was with them while the breeding allegedly happened somewhere else.

The first scenareo would help justify that Yolka is pure but the second would prove that the pedigree isn't accurate.

I asked for clarification but I haven't heard back.

It is also my question - if Flash was by Sonia for the whole time of heat the problem is solved. If she was only covered by Issar and the Crying Wolf breeder took Flash back to her kennel - I have my doubts. The cages by CW seems to be in a very bad condition. I'm sure it is very easy for Wolfdogs to break out.

Or: maybe it is not the problem of mating of Issar and Flash but exactly in Flash - as Sibir (the father of "red CsW") is also her son?

I really have no idea- Something seems to be wrong - I hope it will be cleared and the problem will be solved.