Study about when to take puppies home.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

So in the middle I would give my pupps next time not so early like 6 or 7 weeks but I would say around 10 - 12 weeks. Even bite ignition would be better because the parents teach them.

Christian

we purposely brought our last 3 dogs home when they were 10 weeks old, for exactly these reasons. our Vlcak puppy was still extremely bitey (very hard!!) and mouthy.... a few times he's drawn blood.. and I recall at his breeder's house, he had another puppy besides his brother, plus other adults too, to 'teach' him.

I can't imagine what it would be like to have a Vlcak puppy with even less bite inhibition should I have gotten him at 7-8 weeks..

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

It is generally against German law to separate dog-puppies from their mother earlier than with 8 weeks. If they have to be separated from their mother out of medical reasons they have to stay together till this age.
Also the German kennel club doesn´t allow to give them away before this age. As there is a second control by the kennel club at this time you have to show all puppies at your own place or you are in trouble.
If you get a German puppy before this age without medical need and no matter if FCI or not it is illegal and you should be very aware that the breeder is acting outside the law, no matter what his intentions are.

Ina

[nobrezabranca]

In portugal is the same then in germany,there is a litter confirmation by the portuguese kennel club at aprox 8th week to confirm the number and quality of the puppis of the litter,and if there are any missing,they only issue the number of pedegrees according to the number of puppies they see.some breders sell puppies sooner,because not every litter is verified and they sometimes risk to sell them sooner...
personaly I didn´t sold any puppy before the 10th week at least...
but I have another question,is there a maximum age to sell them?what are the problems if you sell one puppy later,with 4,6,8,9 months,what can be the problems?is there an ideal maximum age to sell puppies?
this is my case,because I had a puppy to sell to brasil first and because of the vaccines and other burocracies,the buyer was getting it only with 3/4 months.after several e-mails exchanged,when everything was almost arranged,he changed his mind and didn't wanted the puppy no more,because he said that it was too heavy and so too expensive to travel!!!better this way,because for me it meant that he really didn't wanted a twd.so I kept her until I thought that I had found a good owner to her,but he had no space for the puppy to be to play as it needs,and as he told me he had, and so after some days I got her back,because money for me isn´t everything!now the puppy is 9 months old,62/3cm at least and 34kg,a little more.I have 2 sisters,but I only can keep one because of the portuguese law!I want to keep both,but...I almost every day take them out to play in the beach and walk among people,cars,other dogs,etc,but they are very attached to me.If and when I find the right owner for her,what must the new owner pay attention to when he takes it home?what must I warn him about?and must the new owner have another dog to play with it because the puppy is used to play with the parents and sister or can it be a single dog?is the space and love of the new owner enough?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by NobrezaBranca

this is my case,because I had a puppy to sell to brasil first and because of the vaccines and other burocracies,the buyer was getting it only with 3/4 months.after several e-mails exchanged,when everything was almost arranged,he changed his mind and didn't wanted the puppy no more,because he said that it was too heavy and so too expensive to travel!!!

The same woman who almost bought a dog from you has sent several e-mails to me asking for pups before it, she entered in contact with you because she was refused as a possible owner by me due her lack of experience with dogs at all!

After she found too heavy the price of your pup plus the transport fee, she phoned me asking for a pup and trying to convince me about how would be important for her to have -specifically- a Czechoslovakian wolfdog, with quite emotional histories.
I told her that she had no experience enough to own a dog like CzW and that would be better for her to save a life adopting an small/mediun size mongrel, and that in this way she would also gain a lot of experience with dogs.

2 months later she bought a Wippeth, she had so many problems in educate such horribly hard dog, which was crying over the house and destructing her new sofa, that she gave him back to the breeder 3 times!

You accepted to sell the dog to her and you would have done it if she had payed for it, I wonder if you would have traveled as far as Brazil for rescue him or if you would let him die 3 days after being rescued by our shelters.. maybe he could have been sold to some kind of puppy miller here.

Oh yes, as experience she had miniature Pintcher which died drowned in the swimming pool of her mother's house, and she let very clear that her new big size pet would live in her mother's garden, because she lives in an small flat!
At her very first e-mail she let clear that she expected from CzW to be as good as the police's Malinois!

That was exactly why I did this topic
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20542

[nobrezabranca]

are you sure that it is the same woman???!!!it was a woman that lived only with her son and mother and she told me that she had a big house with a big garden and that she needed a dog to guard the house,that was very activ because she had a big space!!!and because there were only women living there.not a pet to liv inside the house!
pehaps as she spoke with you first she then corrected and changed her story to me,so that I would trust her enough to sell her the puppy...she spoke over the phone to me several times and she always told me the "story" of the big open space she had and the fact that they needed a guard dog to them,only women...and beside this,that she read a lot about twd and that she liked them a lot and that beside the beauty they would be vey loved and do a lot o exercise!!!of course I didn´t sent it to her as small as she wanted because of the reasons here explained(legal and tempeament,socialization,vaccines,papers,etc),and I didn't made it cheaper because wolfdogs have an average price and is our duty as breeders to maintain that price,and also I know that the breeder in brazil is selling them much,much more expensive...and if she wants a wolfdog,she must also have the money to provide all the needs to give it a good live(you don't buy a ferrari if you don't have enough money later to pay for the essence,insurance,maintenance,etc)!
so,she told me a completely diferent story,otherwise I would never even consider to sell it to her!!!no way!!!she tried to be very clever with me...good that she hadn't enough money...
it seems that beside having a list of dogs with false pedegrees,it seems that we also need a "black list" of people that shoudn't get a twd,regardless of what they are prepaired to pay!!!
and about me selling puppies to dog mills,if I would do so,I could have long have sold the puppy.my problem is not having a buyer,but having a buyer that I trust,that I'm sure,or relatively sure that he would treat her as it deserves,as it is treated by me.
I sometimes eat cheap food,go to work by public transportation,don't go out,etc,but for my dogs I have always money to give them the best food,vet care,vaccinees,treatments against fleeas and other such insects(i don't know how to say it in english...),worms,meat beside the dog food,etc
If I hadn't any dog,with that money I could go away,at least, 2 times a year to a paradisiacal place,all included,and instead I don't travel since I got them!
it's a choice that I don't regret,they deserve it and much more...
and about the problems of selling an older dog,none has answered me to this question!

[Nebulosa]

Exactly the same woman, when she phoned me she came with this same history, but she has forgotten about the e-mail she sent me months ago which I havent replied, were she talked about the police's malinois she saw and how amused she got for the dog and its obedience, that her whish was to have a CzW like this.
Yes, she found my dogs expensive, as she found your dog pus transport fee expensive as well, then in the end she saw that importing a dog is yet much more expensive than buy a dog from here, that's why she gives up on your dogs and tried again to buy one from me.
Remembering here that she havent imported the dog, then she had no idea that she would probably need to pay 60% of whole price in taxes to pick up the dog at the airport.
Well, it would be almost 3x my price.

Im not telling YOU would sell a dog to a puppy miller, but that SHE would re-sell the animal to the first puppy miller interested in buy and pay the price she payed for the dog.

Unfortunately we cant make such public list with bad owners/breeders names, but if you follow the tips I wrote in the topic I posted here will be already fine and safe to your pups.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by nobrezabranca

and about the problems of selling an older dog,none has answered me to this question!

Well, in my opinion there is no "too old" age, I have no problem getting an older dog from a breeder or an owner I know who has treated, socialized, and trained the dog well.

We have many fosters pass through our house, none less than 6 months old yet, and I have good faith that they will adapt to their new homes just like they adapted to my home. It's true they may take a bit longer to become friends with their new owners than a puppy, having already had an old family whom they may remember well, but still, not a huge problem. A dog has an infinite capability to love and a great wish to be accepted.