British Kennel Club Recognition

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

i thought u had mentioned it would be 'too risky' for u to buy from a breeder that produces cross csv's

I did and I also mentioned I am an owner of a FC1 older female who i brought with me to the UK who is spayed, and how I wasnt a breeder, didnt intend on buying a puppy and also thought that re-educating and improving standards were important!! I also agreed that perhaps not all 'breeders' are or have 'bad' intentions and perhaps if we trust in one that has experience of the breed and wants to work/ learn more link this with the members of this forum and breeders of europe then maybe things can change..no point presuming he not open and honest, by the fact that he posted on here asked to work together to improve the breeding in UK is in my own opinion a great step forward.

I am against mixing breeds but not against re eductation and doing the right thing for the breed! I prefer to encourage such a breeder to with support stop mix breeding and promote pure breeds in the uk !

Giving everyone an equal chance?

still having a dig are we..shame you really need to stop the back biting and focus back to promotion and education of breeders/owners! looking forward to hopefully KC registration of the breed

[pixie]

I am against mixing breeds but not against re eductation and doing the right thing for the breed! I prefer to encourage such a breeder to with support stop mix breeding and promote pure breeds in the uk !

Giving everyone an equal chance?

I agree please lets stop all this bickering and look at the bigger picture,

[orkwolf]

Originally Posted by pixie

I am against mixing breeds but not against re eductation and doing the right thing for the breed! I prefer to encourage such a breeder to with support stop mix breeding and promote pure breeds in the uk !

Giving everyone an equal chance?

I agree please lets stop all this bickering and look at the bigger picture,

Hi nice to meet you.
I really wanted to breed the pure initially, but couldnt find a suitable girl, I went to a breeder to get a bitch but ended up with a good few adult crosses, like I said in hindsight I would have done things differently. But its never too late. I want to change that now. But I dont regret the wonderful pups ive had and the great people I have met.
paul

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by orkwolf

Hi nice to meet you.
I really wanted to breed the pure initially, but couldnt find a suitable girl, I went to a breeder to get a bitch but ended up with a good few adult crosses, like I said in hindsight I would have done things differently. But its never too late. I want to change that now. But I dont regret the wonderful pups ive had and the great people I have met.
paul

I have got to ask about the phrase 'People cannot cope'

You said this very recently on a facebook page (within the last 2 weeks) as your 'reason' for crossing these dogs.

Have you now changed your mind?

[tupacs2legs]

double standards eh happy feet!!

mr winder didnt want to sell me a dog(which was fine by me!),so according to you there is something wrong with me,but mr winder does not(apparently)want orkwolf to either but thats ok by u!! lol!!!

[orkwolf]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

double standards eh happy feet!!

mr winder didnt want to sell me a dog(which was fine by me!),so according to you there is something wrong with me,but mr winder does not(apparently)want orkwolf to either but thats ok by u!! lol!!!

Actually to be fair, I have NEVER ever spoken to Mr Winder other than to respectfully send condolences for the loss of his wolf Kizzy. I certainly have NEVER EVER spoken to him about buying a dog, he is absolutely the last person I would go to.

I was told he would not sell me one and that he would make sure I would never have one, well sorry Mr Winder but I can get a UK bred pure CsV just about any time I want, I was told this story by another breeder who I bought my dogs from. Politics? However I want something new and off my own back not off the back of another breeder in the UK.
Thank you.
Paul

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by orkwolf

Actually to be fair, I have NEVER ever spoken to Mr Winder other than to respectfully send condolences for the loss of his wolf Kizzy. I certainly have NEVER EVER spoken to him about buying a dog, he is absolutely the last person I would go to.

I was told he would not sell me one and that he would make sure I would never have one, well sorry Mr Winder but I can get a UK bred pure CsV just about any time I want, I was told this story by another breeder who I bought my dogs from. Politics? However I want something new and off my own back not off the back of another breeder in the UK.
Thank you.
Paul

neither have i

didnt realise kizzy had died tho

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Tassle

I have got to ask about the phrase 'People cannot cope'
You said this very recently on a facebook page (within the last 2 weeks) as your 'reason' for crossing these dogs.
Have you now changed your mind?

+

...pure CSVs are very smart and stupid people just do not breed them

To Pixie:
That's exactly what I had in mind

I'm sure there are people who will recieve massif support and backing from continental breeders and owners if only they decide to breed CSV pups, instead of producing them. But I doubt if any good breeder is naive enough to send his pups to somebody who orders dogs like items in e-store.

[orkwolf]

Originally Posted by orkwolf

Hi nice to meet you.
I really wanted to breed the pure initially, but couldnt find a suitable girl, I went to a breeder to get a bitch but ended up with a good few adult crosses. Perhaps I would have done things slightly differently now. I dont regret the wonderful pups ive had and the great people I have met.
paul

I was very surprised to see this the following on wolfdog after all the slating and bashing my small kennels have received for daring to "bastardise" the breed. I was shocked to see people openly cross and mix breed here!
http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/5570

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/7853

Ive also just been reading another thread here where they are debating a experimental mating which took place in CZ in 2003 with pure female Canadian wolf and CSV without registration. Apparently the F1 pups from this mating has been registered as CSV dogs and the laugh is that the "pure" CSV is a cross of Carpathian wolf with GSD NOT a Canadian Wolf. The Saarloos is outcome of Canadian wolf with GSD.
They have F1 crosses there which possibly has been mixed with breeding of pure CSV and all of them are stating that kennels Passo del Lupo and Foresta Incantata have mixed some of the offspring of this experimental dogs into their breeding.
So there is a good chance that such dogs are still in CZ so what a laugh them talking about crossbreeds if they mixed in the wrong wolf to start with and potentialy even in some cases the selling of hybrids.

Makes Orkwolf with a handful of dogs and all the hype that that has created seem a little like a pin in a haystack to what is really going on with the breed! However we will be breeding pure in the future.
Thanks

[yukidomari]

Have you not seen the multiple threads on here about Mutara, and Passo del Lupo? Have you ever wondered why PdL's litters are banned from WD, even the purebred matches? Nobody is excused and small scale mutt breeders aren't 'less worse' than large. Mutara as I understand were denied from slovak and czech registration. And all offspring from this 'project' are marked so in the database.

[orkwolf]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Have you not seen the multiple threads on here about Mutara, and Passo del Lupo? Have you ever wondered why PdL's litters are banned from WD, even the purebred matches? Nobody is excused and small scale mutt breeders aren't 'less worse' than large. Mutara as I understand were denied from slovak and czech registration. And all offspring from this 'project' are marked so in the database.

Thank you for taking the time to write back.
It amazes me how certain ones outside the UK slate me for crossing, yet their "best friends" in the UK cross their pet csv mixed dogs with husky mix and they dont say a word on here about them, hypercritical lol

[Nebulosa]

Well, this reactions shows perfectly that you have NO IDEA ABOUT THE BREED, I wonder how could you wish to breed a breed which you have nor even idea about its history or about whats happening, its problems and so on.
It means that even if you try to breed pure, you surely wish nothing more than money by selling pups.
Well, information is everywhere in English and soon will be quite easy to send a dog to UK, your kingdom of missinformation to mistaken people for selling mutts will end, im used with puppy mills people, I understand your desperation.

[AMERICANI]

So as long as someone else does something wrong, it's ok for you to do the same... LOL..

[tupacs2legs]

Originally Posted by happyfeet

I did and I also mentioned I am an owner of a FC1 older female who i brought with me to the UK who is spayed, and how I wasnt a breeder, didnt intend on buying a puppy and also thought that re-educating and improving standards were important!! I also agreed that perhaps not all 'breeders' are or have 'bad' intentions and perhaps if we trust in one that has experience of the breed and wants to work/ learn more link this with the members of this forum and breeders of europe then maybe things can change..no point presuming he not open and honest, by the fact that he posted on here asked to work together to improve the breeding in UK is in my own opinion a great step forward.

I am against mixing breeds but not against re eductation and doing the right thing for the breed! I prefer to encourage such a breeder to with support stop mix breeding and promote pure breeds in the uk !

Giving everyone an equal chance?

still having a dig are we..shame you really need to stop the back biting and focus back to promotion and education of breeders/owners! looking forward to hopefully KC registration of the breed

hmmm......im backbiting am i? i find your posts are inflammatory and contradict themselves......

you have done 'digging' on this thread.......

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

hmmm......im backbiting am i? i find your posts are inflammatory and contradict themselves......

you have done 'digging' on this thread.......

You asked me a question? which I responded with my opinion, if you dont like it dont ask, you seem to be very jumbled yourself ? portraying your dislike of such breeders however after being rejected by one we know of , you buy from another? double standards? hmmmmm If you dont like their practices why buy from them in the first place?

Having a dig at me may make you feel better but it isnt really helping the thread is it? supporting change is much more important than your petty back biting!! Giving Paul chance to voice his opinion is only fair as we read and listen to yours! the forum is open to all and we are all equal!