What is the average content of the Czech wolfdog?

[Murph]

To be fair I thought there was a air of suspicion towards Blaidd for asking a simple question.

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by Murph

To be fair I thought there was a air of suspicion towards Blaidd for asking a simple question.

Put it down to once bitten, twice shy......

[GalomyOak]

Lol, if you consider all dogs are a subspecies of wolf, then I own all 100% wolves. And of course, there are the theories that the GSD also has recent wolf crossings in it's creation. I prefer to fall back on the more complex answer of selection for type when answering outside people's mindless questions. And then I just let my (usually well-behaved) dogs speak for themselves.

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by Tassle

Put it down to once bitten, twice shy......

put it down to being purely rude

all UK owners should not be tarred with the same brush some of us care for our dogs,live with them and dont want them as breeding machines but as family pets and companions

and with 20 years experience of GSD and 10 years owning CsW in and out of the UK I think I have enough experience to form a comment and have an experienced opinion

[Murph]

GalomyOak...what do you mean by 'outside' people and mindless questions?!

[Murph]

Just how many poor UK owners are there?! Dont the major majority that show a genuine interest in the breed want a companion and a family pet?
I think it is important not to act on prejudgements

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by Murph

GalomyOak...what do you mean by 'outside' people and mindless questions?!

I am referring to the people that come up to me...on a busy main road full of crowds - and ask me "Is that a wolf?" or the people that come up fussing at me how irresponsible it is to own such an animal (I get this especially when I am walking my big, totally stable male, Bongo, who is a therapy dog that works with mentally students prone to outbursts and "odd" behaviors ). I mean, c'mon. Unfortunately, this isn't limited to the average person walking the street; "experts" also exhibit this reasoning from time to time as well...it's why we decided to go with Vlcak in the US instead of wolfdog.

I was referring to this comment (maybe clueless is a better term than mindless):

"when I am out with my dogs many people ask what they are and i reply czechoslovakian wolfdogs the obvious next question is usually how come a wolf dog do they have wolf in them, I usually just smile and say yes originally they did but by the time i've explained a bit more they are glazed over and confused. Even my vet asked me if I knew of what % wolf genes would be left now? So I thought I'd ask on here, Ive followed the site a while but thought it was a valid ask!"

There is no need, really, to explain to these people "how much wolf" is in my Vlcak. They have already developed their own ideas based on what they see. More important is to describe the value of our breed, and how they have been selectively bred for many years, and let them interact with my dog. If they are receptive, then I will explain more. The coolness of dogs (or wolfdogs) is the ability to control their genetic variability within a relatively short period of time.

[Tassle]

Originally Posted by Blaidd

put it down to being purely rude

all UK owners should not be tarred with the same brush some of us care for our dogs,live with them and dont want them as breeding machines but as family pets and companions

and with 20 years experience of GSD and 10 years owning CsW in and out of the UK I think I have enough experience to form a comment and have an experienced opinion

Good for you - how much experience do you feel is needed to form an opinion then?
Will you only listen to people who have owned the breed longer than you?

[Murph]

why the bitchyness?!

[pixie]

Originally Posted by Blaidd

put it down to being purely rude

all UK owners should not be tarred with the same brush some of us care for our dogs,live with them and dont want them as breeding machines but as family pets and companions

and with 20 years experience of GSD and 10 years owning CsW in and out of the UK I think I have enough experience to form a comment and have an experienced opinion

Hi Blaidd have you seen the thread on british kennel club recognition your views wouild be welcome

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by pixie

Hi Blaidd have you seen the thread on british kennel club recognition your views wouild be welcome

Thankyou pixie, yes i did read it after another forum member pointed me in that direction.however I am put off by the narrow minded behaviour of some members of the forum and they seem more interested in bitching than actually the importance of the thread. would I want to be on a committee with this type of person NO which is a shame because their actions could also be putting off guests with 'companion dogs' joining this forum.

Thankyou Murph,

[pixie]

Originally Posted by Blaidd

Thankyou pixie, yes i did read it after another forum member pointed me in that direction.however I am put off by the narrow minded behaviour of some members of the forum and they seem more interested in bitching than actually the importance of the thread. would I want to be on a committee with this type of person NO which is a shame because their actions could also be putting off guests with 'companion dogs' joining this forum.

Thankyou Murph,

Shame, it seems to me its the breeders on here that are not fully behind this move and are slagging off companion owners, I have my suspicionns why. the fact some people are not interested because of faceless bitching and backbiting is quite annoying

[yukidomari]

I'm puzzled by the conception that everyone wasn't being helpful or was only being bitchy. I presented the facts as they are, really. If your vet or whoever advised if you knew the % of wolf in the dogs, he or she has a poor grasp on genetics, as, again, the number is neither indicative not accurate.

If pressed I prefer to simply say that the breed has been in closed stud book status for ~30 years, and that the foundation was a handful of Carpathian wolves and many GSDs at a CZ border patrol kennel. and that the last wolf added in regards to my specific dogs' pedigree is (6, 7, what have you) generations ago if someone is real curious. That's basically the most accurate info I can give them, really, because if you think about it, if by pure mathematical calculation, a wolf x dog breeding plan can achieve ~30% in 3 generations. Definitely not an accurate description of either the breeding that happened, nor useful information regarding breed foundation.

PS. Does this post make me a 'wannabe expert'?

[happyfeet]

Originally Posted by pixie

Shame, it seems to me its the breeders on here that are not fully behind this move and are slagging off companion owners, I have my suspicionns why. the fact some people are not interested because of faceless bitching and backbiting is quite annoying

gutted to see when i go on the uk kennel club reg forum thread that its only for the chosen few and they are isolating it to breeders online and themselves its a shambles!!!!! I am disgusted