Stud fees

[*Satu]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

In Finland you can breed with ill, dysplatic dogs (HD-D).
Also the registration of dogs with falsed pedigrees is possible.

As you can see - nobody is perfect....

How to prevent false registration in Poland? You can´t do nothing

You can breed also whit ill dogs. There is many illnes where you can´t have any tests... But HD-D is bad.

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by *Satu

How to prevent false registration in Poland? You can´t do nothing

In Poland it is enough that I write a protest to our Kennel Club if I think that a litter have fake pedigree and the breeder is FORCED to make the DNA tests of the puppies (It is because the kennel club must follow the FCI breeding rules and is responsible for validity of the pedigrees.).

If I'm right the puppies loose the pedigrees. If I'm wrong I must pay for the DNA tests... Easy

It is why no mixes will be ever bred in Poland...

Originally Posted by *Satu

You can breed also whit ill dogs. There is many illnes where you can´t have any tests... But HD-D is bad.

Yes and no...
If there are rules in Poland they are: you can breed only with HD-A, HD-B and HD-C dogs and one of the parent must be HD-free.
Rules are made by the breed club which do not exist in PL at the moment.

It is why nobody breed with HD-D and HD-E dogs here. BUT it is possible to hide the results in the moment and to breed with not-tested dogs. And some breeders even do this. If the resuts are bad you can hide them - it is why you can not see HD-results by some Polish dogs. Look on the pedigree of Basior and the missing results of Clif and Beatris. It is the most famous Polish case because the breeders published the results of all their dogs with those two exceptions...

[Tassle]

Is the norm to charge a fee per pup? Or just a flat fee? Is the fee payable even if No pups are born?

I was pleasantly surprised when I mated my bitch (not a CsV) that the stud fee was only payable *if* puppies were born.

This was for a fantastic dog who is a WT Ch.

Just being nosy

[buidelwolf]

The show titles are not important for any serious breeder because they say NOTHING about the quality of the dog. In many cases dogs without any show results are MUCH better than the World and European Winners.
And there are many nice and interesting dogs.

Totally true!
A serious breeder mainly should look at genetically interesting lines to combine. Protecting the fragile gene pool, for instance and the health and character aspect. Focussing on champion titles is old economy, shortsighted. Fortunately there are several breeders who understand this, but unfortunately too many do not.... Often an interesting stud dog does not live close at the door.

The excessive use of champions has already brought many races to the edge of the abyss from health / genetic point of view. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against shows. I see it more as opportunities to see several dogs of our beautiful breed and in order to exchange views and chat with their owners. Show results don't tell me much. There are many dogs that have never been to a show, but are very interesting as Margo says. Also the impartiality at shows or competence of the judges is often very questionable.

[*Satu]

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

In Poland it is enough that I write a protest to our Kennel Club if I think that a litter have fake pedigree and the breeder is FORCED to make the DNA tests of the puppies (It is because the kennel club must follow the FCI breeding rules and is responsible for validity of the pedigrees.).

If I'm right the puppies loose the pedigrees. If I'm wrong I must pay for the DNA tests... Easy

It is why no mixes will be ever bred in Poland...



Yes and no...
If there are rules in Poland they are: you can breed only with HD-A, HD-B and HD-C dogs and one of the parent must be HD-free.
Rules are made by the breed club which do not exist in PL at the moment.

It is why nobody breed with HD-D and HD-E dogs here. BUT it is possible to hide the results in the moment and to breed with not-tested dogs. And some breeders even do this. If the resuts are bad you can hide them - it is why you can not see HD-results by some Polish dogs. Look on the pedigree of Basior and the missing results of Clif and Beatris. It is the most famous Polish case because the breeders published the results of all their dogs with those two exceptions...

If I look Baron spod Dumbiera´s pedigree there is very many dog whit out HD results, there is no any ED results. Same is Ikala and Elys.

Still dog is more than HD or ED results. You can´t find any info about liver problems in Slovakia or Epilepsy or Spondylos or CHARATER problems.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by *Satu

If I look Baron spod Dumbiera´s pedigree there is very many dog whit out HD results, there is no any ED results

I think HD results were required in Czech (Slovak) Republic from some exact year, and ED results from 2011 (in CZE). That´s why some Baron´s grand grand parents HD and ED results are missing. Only some breeders did it. And see how healthy dogs we have?

[jefta]

If I look Baron spod Dumbiera´s pedigree there is very many dog whit out HD results, there is no any ED results

In Poland we had only two litters without HD results-both after this couple.