Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs-Australia

Rona · 03-07-2012, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Wolves

He did import a pair, and he is breeding from that pair. Please read the thread before posting and looking ignorant.

He did not import a breeding pair, but a breeding female and a probably mix-bred dog resembling a vlcak. Who knows what characteristics might such a mix carry in his genes?! Pink coat and brown nose of a saarlos? Extreme shyness of a wolfdog hybrid? Maybe deep chest and falling top line of a GSD?
Apparently this is not a breeding pair, but an "ersatz" of a breeding pair!

So please read the thread before posting and looking ignorant!

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But honestly, if there is such immediate interest to buy mix pups just to get something resembling CSW and presented as such, instead of importing one, hate me or not, Australia is not ready

You're right Sona: SOME Australians do not seem to understand that matching dogs has little to do with breeding!

Shadowlands · 03-07-2012, 16:49

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Originally Posted by Wolves

Originally Posted by mickwright

hi there,

just a quick update...... only the male i have maybe a mix, the female is pure breed.

also puppies are on the way in the next few weeks.

Regards Mick.

Puppies are on the way in the next few weeks? Are you selling them? Because I would love to buy one. My email is [email protected] if you'd like to email me.

Thanks,
Nick

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Originally Posted by Wolves

He did import a pair, and he is breeding from that pair. Please read the thread before posting and looking ignorant.

I was referring to what Mick himself said, that the male is likely not pure. I would have thought that after going to all that effort and expense to import a pair of dogs, that it would have been worth having a breeding pair of PURE CsVs. I'm afraid it is not I who is looking ignorant here

04-07-2012, 08:37

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

I was referring to what Mick himself said, that the male is likely not pure. I would have thought that after going to all that effort and expense to import a pair of dogs, that it would have been worth having a breeding pair of PURE CsVs. I'm afraid it is not I who is looking ignorant here

Just go back and read. He thought the dogs were pure when he imported, it was only till he posted on this forum that he had people coming on saying they weren't pure, nor have any of these people posted proof of these dogs not being pure yet.

I created this thread to ask about any updates, not to have people come here go off topic, then start questioning other people. So far very few people have said anything constructive. If you don't have anything constructive to say, leave.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 04-07-2012, 09:06

He could easily avoid the problem if he would have informed himself. Even if he wouldn´t have come to know that Raven Spirit are mixes with White Shepherds, he would have get the information - and without much bothering - that they don´t have any official FCI pedigrees. There are several breeders in Germany and two clubs and the VDH you can ask. These puppies are NOT Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and therefor useless for the breed in Australia.

Apart from this: This is an open forum, the title of this thread is Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs - Australia, not "Wolves´ accepted updates only" there is no off topic here.

As always I have to agree with Sona, Australia is not ready yet.

Ina

04-07-2012, 11:46

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

He could easily avoid the problem if he would have informed himself. Even if he wouldn´t have come to know that Raven Spirit are mixes with White Shepherds, he would have get the information - and without much bothering - that they don´t have any official FCI pedigrees. There are several breeders in Germany and two clubs and the VDH you can ask. These puppies are NOT Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and therefor useless for the breed in Australia.

Apart from this: This is an open forum, the title of this thread is Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs - Australia, not "Wolves´ accepted updates only" there is no off topic here.

As always I have to agree with Sona, Australia is not ready yet.

Ina

Please provide the proof for this, as I looked up Ravens Spirit and found no results. So link me up to where you got this information from.

Secondly, ignore the title. Read my first post, it was asking for UPDATES OF CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOGS IN AUSTRALIA, not to have people's negative comments about possible Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs that are in Australia. "Australia is not ready yet" How is Australia not ready? You can't just say that 22 million people that you don't know aren't ready to own a dog of their choice. Some Australians might not be good owners, others will be amazing owners.

Ligerwolve2 · 13-07-2012, 14:12

Now its not true that we have not tried.

I myself went through all the loops, spoke to all authorities needed and I was stalking a few of the breeders on here

This was ...must have been about 10 years ago now. I had $14 500.00 saved and all I really needed was a breeder and to iron out those last few details. Then my husband became very ill. Its unfortunate but everything I had went into taking care of him.

Now Im a single mum of two so although I could care for a dog, be involved with the breed ect I can not afford to import just now. If no one does by the time my kids are older I will try again.

This is not a bad thing. It does not in any way show my lack of love of the breed. I believe if anything it shows that I am very dedicated. Im not rushing in. Im not buying for the looks. Im not some young inexperienced fool hardy backyard person. I care very deeply for this breed.

Just because one person MAY have done something do not paint me with the same stroke. Nor the fact I care enough not to rush into something I cant follow through with - like importing.

Id LOVE a pup. I truely would but hey if I have to wait till I am able to import myself I will.

I have been a member here a very long time (I was originally just Ligerwolve). Quietly reading, learning. I have also been involved in just about every aspect of the dog world in that time. I have even owned a different breed of wolfdog and so has my father.

A few years ago I would have probably agreed with you but I think the minds and hearts of people are changing here. Perhaps because of the people you disregard have been championing this breed and educating others.

Ligerwolve2 · 22-07-2012, 16:02

Since my last post Ive been thinking. On the flip side.

Id also like to mention to anyone who is thinking $$$ by importing/buying this breed here, be careful.

Not only are there laws from state to state on what needs to be done with puppies, the law is now moving in the direction of breeders being liable. If you do the wrong thing and its proven you will be up for costs.

People need to stop and take breeding very seriously these days.

Breeding is not just throwing two dogs together!

Nor is owning a puppy. Although as breeders we do our best to send puppies home with the right people the buyer needs to stop and seriously think if this is the breed for them.

Someone once said to me you should ask yourself what you can do for the breed/puppy not what they can do for you

enomis52 · 03-12-2012, 02:27

"Australia is not ready"

I do believe that this is an unfair statement. Certainly there are people who are not ready here, but I would argue that there are people all over the world (including where CZW's are available) who are "not ready" to own a vlack.

I'm sorry, Sona, that this seems to be your perception here. Obviously this is the attitude you have come across here. But please do not judge the whole country as not ready.

If I had the means and $$ to enable me to import a pair of good quality dogs here I certainly would. As it is, this is a long way from possible for me at this time in my life.

I'm involved in a number of other species forums (reptile, aquaria, feline) and the overwhelming thing I find is that people who are REALLY passionate about the animal/breed they keep are very protective of the breeding and keeping of that animal. And rightly so! But it is not fair to judge a whole country as being unable to make the right decisions for the breed - as mentioned, there seems to be people here and in Europe who are willing to mentor and help breeders here. We certainly must be grateful of that!

The breed is not widely known here. Perhaps once people begin learning of the breed, serious and responsible breeders will emerge who are dedicated preserving the lines developed in Europe.

The rest of us can only hope.

05-12-2012, 10:37

Well the two the we have from Mick are just over 5 months old now and they're great. In my eyes they look the Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and I believe they are.

I've seen people on this forum say that Ravens Spirit only have ONE pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, who they breed to White Shepherds. Well if you know anything about genetics, you would know that their pups wouldn't look anything like Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs if that was the case.

For those who are so adamant that they're not pure, provide some evidence for once. So far no one has provided evidence.

Below are some pics of our 5 month old pups and I'm sure that some of you'll be happy to see that your speculations->(Who knows what characteristics might such a mix carry in his genes?! Pink coat and brown nose of a saarlos? Extreme shyness of a wolfdog hybrid? Maybe deep chest and falling top line of a GSD?") were false.

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04-07-2012, 09:06	#4
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	He could easily avoid the problem if he would have informed himself. Even if he wouldn´t have come to know that Raven Spirit are mixes with White Shepherds, he would have get the information - and without much bothering - that they don´t have any official FCI pedigrees. There are several breeders in Germany and two clubs and the VDH you can ask. These puppies are NOT Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and therefor useless for the breed in Australia. Apart from this: This is an open forum, the title of this thread is Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs - Australia, not "Wolves´ accepted updates only" there is no off topic here. As always I have to agree with Sona, Australia is not ready yet. Ina

13-07-2012, 14:12	#6
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	Now its not true that we have not tried. I myself went through all the loops, spoke to all authorities needed and I was stalking a few of the breeders on here This was ...must have been about 10 years ago now. I had $14 500.00 saved and all I really needed was a breeder and to iron out those last few details. Then my husband became very ill. Its unfortunate but everything I had went into taking care of him. Now Im a single mum of two so although I could care for a dog, be involved with the breed ect I can not afford to import just now. If no one does by the time my kids are older I will try again. This is not a bad thing. It does not in any way show my lack of love of the breed. I believe if anything it shows that I am very dedicated. Im not rushing in. Im not buying for the looks. Im not some young inexperienced fool hardy backyard person. I care very deeply for this breed. Just because one person MAY have done something do not paint me with the same stroke. Nor the fact I care enough not to rush into something I cant follow through with - like importing. Id LOVE a pup. I truely would but hey if I have to wait till I am able to import myself I will. I have been a member here a very long time (I was originally just Ligerwolve). Quietly reading, learning. I have also been involved in just about every aspect of the dog world in that time. I have even owned a different breed of wolfdog and so has my father. A few years ago I would have probably agreed with you but I think the minds and hearts of people are changing here. Perhaps because of the people you disregard have been championing this breed and educating others.

22-07-2012, 16:02	#7
Ligerwolve2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 57	Since my last post Ive been thinking. On the flip side. Id also like to mention to anyone who is thinking $$$ by importing/buying this breed here, be careful. Not only are there laws from state to state on what needs to be done with puppies, the law is now moving in the direction of breeders being liable. If you do the wrong thing and its proven you will be up for costs. People need to stop and take breeding very seriously these days. Breeding is not just throwing two dogs together! Nor is owning a puppy. Although as breeders we do our best to send puppies home with the right people the buyer needs to stop and seriously think if this is the breed for them. Someone once said to me you should ask yourself what you can do for the breed/puppy not what they can do for you

03-12-2012, 02:27	#8
enomis52 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Central Tabelands, New South Wales Posts: 11	"Australia is not ready" I do believe that this is an unfair statement. Certainly there are people who are not ready here, but I would argue that there are people all over the world (including where CZW's are available) who are "not ready" to own a vlack. I'm sorry, Sona, that this seems to be your perception here. Obviously this is the attitude you have come across here. But please do not judge the whole country as not ready. If I had the means and $$ to enable me to import a pair of good quality dogs here I certainly would. As it is, this is a long way from possible for me at this time in my life. I'm involved in a number of other species forums (reptile, aquaria, feline) and the overwhelming thing I find is that people who are REALLY passionate about the animal/breed they keep are very protective of the breeding and keeping of that animal. And rightly so! But it is not fair to judge a whole country as being unable to make the right decisions for the breed - as mentioned, there seems to be people here and in Europe who are willing to mentor and help breeders here. We certainly must be grateful of that! The breed is not widely known here. Perhaps once people begin learning of the breed, serious and responsible breeders will emerge who are dedicated preserving the lines developed in Europe. The rest of us can only hope.

05-12-2012, 10:37	#9
Wolves Guest Posts: n/a	Well the two the we have from Mick are just over 5 months old now and they're great. In my eyes they look the Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and I believe they are. I've seen people on this forum say that Ravens Spirit only have ONE pure Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, who they breed to White Shepherds. Well if you know anything about genetics, you would know that their pups wouldn't look anything like Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs if that was the case. For those who are so adamant that they're not pure, provide some evidence for once. So far no one has provided evidence. Below are some pics of our 5 month old pups and I'm sure that some of you'll be happy to see that your speculations->(Who knows what characteristics might such a mix carry in his genes?! Pink coat and brown nose of a saarlos? Extreme shyness of a wolfdog hybrid? Maybe deep chest and falling top line of a GSD?") were false.