Tamaskan CsW crossing

[wolfin]

and yes - this is true. This litter mas born in next year. if want moore info - quest a breeder

[miran]

I am no longer with the TDR for quit some time now.
But no matter how I am thinking maybe the best is ask the people them self why they made the decision.......

No matter how I think one thing I did learned over the last couple of years : You can all wright about things and have your opinion but you can never reed the personal book of someone else unless you ask to read a chapter

I myself am part now of a Aatu tamaskan group that is also for outcross. I was against it for the temperament reason yes but they also have there arguments why they are pro. When talking without pointing and judging you can come to a point you do not have to agree but understand.
I do not know the arguments the TDR had but if they had the same as the TBA does I can understand it.....and that is why I say maybe start reading on the tamaskan forum or ask them

[Patty33]

"Outcross litter planned in the Netherlands – early 2013

Kaylee, my 4 year old female Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, is planned to be mated to Tamaskan male Maguyuk.
She is expected to be in season between now and December.
This will be her first litter.
...
This mating has been approved by the TDR committee and my kennel,
van ‘t Aelse Sluske, has been registered with the TDR.

Kaylee is great with people of all ages and also gets along well with male dogs.
However like most Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs she doesn’t like dogs from the same gender.

Health results
Moonlight Kaylee van Goverwelle (Kaylee): FCI A, DM Carrier, Dwarfism Clear.
Blustag Red Rum (Maguyuk): FCI A, ED Clear, DM Clear, Dwarfism Clear, Eyes Clear.

Kaylee will add some new blood to the Tamaskan breed.
This will also be Maguyuk his first litter,
his parents are Tumanra and Banjo, and he was chosen primarily because of his bloodlines.
Hopefully this combination will produce some nice puppy’s with good temperaments and health.

If anyone is interested in a puppy from this mating then you can contact me: XXXX "

This is placed at the fb-page of the National Tamaskan Club of America.

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Can't believe people are involved or want to be involved in this kind of horrible practices.

[Koos]

Unbelieveble!!!!

It is amazing to see and hear that Kaylee van Goverwelle, as a puppy sold to Stephanie Korthout of the kennel van 't Aelse Sluske, will be used for this kind of mixes.

We are very sad about this and will have nothing to do with this.

Letty and Koos de Graaff
Kennel van Goverwelle

[Rona]

What are the legal consequences of such (mis)behaviour in the Netherlands?

Will the breeder be able to remain a member of the CSV Breed Club and National (FCI affiliated) Kennel Club after such mix pups are born?

[mijke]

@Rona: I really don’t know yet at this moment!

Also the board of the Dutch club was today shocked about the news of this planned CsW mix crossing of a Dutch breeder.

The club also confirms that kennel van Goverwelle have nothing to do with this!
It is very sad kennel van 't Aelse Sluske also harms the name of kennel van Goverwelle with using a female of them for this mix (instead of using a CsW of the breeding line of her own).

[Shadowlands]

Advertising so blatently that you are planning to do this is shocking!

I wonder if it would be possible to petition the FCI to bring in a ruling whereby any kennel proven to crossbreed is 'struck off' permanently? It needs to be FCI wide, not dependant on individual country breed clubs.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by mijke

Also the board of the Dutch club was today shocked about the news of this planned CsW mix crossing of a Dutch breeder.

No wonder the Dutch club is surprised. Maybe Stephanie K. counts on the effect, i.e. that the Club members are so shocked, that they won't react

[Puma]

Originally Posted by Patty33

If anyone is interested in a puppy from this mating then you can contact me: XXXX "

This part is revealing the real motives.

A person in need of money.

Not a breeder, that has any noble intentions for the animal itself.

I am disgusted with the action and with the breeder.

[Juri Z.P.]

Yes sad and dissapointing

[yukidomari]

a CzW male this kennel planned to use for this bitch is still too young this year.

so this year she plans to have a mixed litter and next year a purebred litter with the planned male. on another forum this kennel wrote something like, it's never too late to learn about a new breed. that's true - except 'tamaskan' is not a breed and anyway personally i think even if it were, learning about a new breed precludes an amateur to the breed from deciding to breed mixed ones.

like was previously said - just a commercial opportunity.

[tupacs2legs]

All my other feelings on this subject aside.......

They want the 'wolfy look' of the csv but not the temperament. ...... risky!!!! For them and for our breed

[yukidomari]

OK, but mix breeders will be removed from listing on wolfdog.org, at least.

And members of clubs with code of ethics that ban breed mixees should make sure not to associate or sell to, people who condone or participate in the breeding of crosses for public sale.