Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs-Australia

[Ligerwolve2]

Ive been interested in the breed for over 10 yrs. I was almost at the point of importing before a personal matter stopped me.

I have been passionate about them for a very long time and want them introduced properly. Id like the chance to own and show one but if people dont take care they will just be banned.

Im interested in this litter because people who know my wolfdog thought maybe I might know about these dogs. Some people even know I love the CzW and wanted my take on it. I gathered that one dog was at least unregistered but wanted to see what the breeder would do. I think registered is better but the MOST important thing to me is how the breeder operates. There are ANKC unregistered dogs for example registered with the working dog register. They are just as ethical as the ANKC breeders. They do everything the same almost. So I wouldnt tell people to steer clear of them say if they wanted a top working kelpie. That would actually be the better place to go. So what Im getting at as I reserve judgement. They are open and clear though about what they are. When the breeder wouldnt answer my questions I said as much and directed people to read the threads here and make up there own mind but that I wouldnt. Keep in mind Id prefer a registered animal anyway. Ive got small children (so Im not ready to take on another dog anyway right now) and would want to really be sure of lines. Any kind of suspect is too much for me.

Its my opinion that this isnt the kind of breeder Id recommend (given you wont tell me about your experience) but if they never have another litter it doesnt really matter does it.

Ive worked in the animal industry a long time. You may not want to hear my opinion but I know how quickly these things can snow ball. Im not trying to rain on your parade so to speak. If you were talking about how cute they are, funny things they do Id be in there agreeing. If you asked me a question Id answer it to help you. I think we need more of that in the dog world! However I think you miss the point some of us have tried to make and Im not sure its worth explaining again. A closed mind is a closed mind.


I dont mind answering any reasonable questions but Im growing tired of personal attacks. Im not a liar, thats just your opinion. Like Ive said Im not going to discuss my dog anymore. You are not interested in my dog at all. You dont have any first hand knowledge of my dog or her breed. How can you when you have never met one or met my dog.

"Yeah, you're credibility is nothing but a joke. I'd just like to say that everyone here despite what they've said, has managed to present themselves in a mature and adult manner, you on the other hand I have no idea wether I'm arguing with an adult or a 12 year old. If you want to be taken seriously don't start using childish Internet abbreviations such as "LMAO" and "ROFL". " - Seriously? Honestly I dont know what your point is. There are a number of members here that do exactly the same. You never bother to point that out. Oh thats right I asked if you knew of any health tests. Ahhhh I see totally means you can be insulting.

Anyway. Unless you are interested in actually offering some info - even just telling us what good experiences you have had with the breeder or the breed, Im going to stop replying. I dont see the point of it.

I still wish you all the best with your two.

I've mentioned many times we were satisfied with the breeder. My family were registered purebred breeders for decades, vaccinated, registered and health checked and we did our best to ensure they went to the best possible homes. Also had best in show winners. We've also been involved in animal welfare, in conjunction with the local vet and newspaper, we had a program where we would re home lost and abandoned dogs. So don't try and make out that we're not experienced.

The breeder stopped talking to you, therefore it's not my place to discuss it with you. Perhaps if you were on better terms, you could try asking the breeder again? I doubt it would get anywhere given the unjust remarks you said about them since.

"Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:14 PM
I wouldnt trust this breeder at all. There is a fair amount of doubt with both dogs." - Now not once this year did anyone say the mother was in doubt, as you can see, I showed you posted it at sep,2012. The pedigree, showing the female is spirit of the wolf has been up for years now. So ok, you may not of directly lied. But you made that statement because of what people falsely said years ago before the pedigree was known. I wouldn't trust anyone who doesn't bother to check their facts before they attempt to defame someone.

You aren't in a position to judge the health and temperament of my dogs, you know nothing about them and never will. But given the way you talked about your "wolfdog" eating your TV, there seems to be something strange and dangerous going on there. I was expecting my dogs to be hard, but they're intelligent and learn extremely quickly. Not hard dogs to own at all...maybe that's just my dogs in particular. They're not as devoted to working for you as a GSD, they get bored and will do there own thing after a while, but teaching them is easy.


"Im not trying to rain on your parade so to speak" Ha, what are you even on about?



"You dont have any first hand knowledge of my dog or her breed. How can you when you have never met one or met my dog. " I don't claim to have first hand knowledge of your dog, like you do with mine. But I know that Czechoslovakian Shepherds are German Shepherds. As for her breed, I know a lot about German Shepherds, so yes I do know about the breed.

It's funny how you think this breeder was registered, when they hadn't even bothered to get the breed recognised here in Australia. Probably because its impossible to register a non existent breed.


Like I said ask anyone here what they think of your dog, and they'll most likely agree with me.

[Ligerwolve2]

Here are some more quotes. My last reply on DOL - Incase anyone is interested its been confirmed (as you can read for yourselves) that the sire and grandsire are non registered which given there has been crosses out of that kennel before is a bit suspicious.

I will leave you all to make up your own minds

And here is one from you - The sire was not registered, neither was one of his parents but after that, all are registered. If you'd looked you would of seen VDH numbers. Seriously how do you think a dog is a mix, when both parents are registered?

- When I say both parents, im not refering to my dogs.

So you can use the term parents in a general manner but you use it as some kind of evidence else where?

[Ligerwolve2]

Here is another from you - I would hope that in the case of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, that owners would be required to have some kind of permit. Many people buy them for their looks, and although they have done research, they don't realise how much of a challenge the dog is untill they buy one.

I recently got a Wildlife Permit, as I intend to own a dingo in the future, it's a free permit. Just I had to build a large enclosure and demonstrate that I know a lot about dingoes in order to recieve it.

I don't think they will put a permit when it comes to owning dogs like the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in Australia, as they're a domestic dog unlike the dingo. But it really would help, as they're not like a normal dog.

But the first step is actually getting the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog recognised here....

Thats an interesting read dont you think. So your dogs are so easy but here you talk about how people should have to have a permit?

The last line made me laugh. Or should I say LOL.

[Ligerwolve2]

Here is another quote by you which says you dont understand breeding very well - These pups have a pedigree, which shows they are pure.

Its not like a breeder has it on their computer and edits it themself or anything...

[Ligerwolve2]

You also said earlier your dogs had been looked at already so were fine, yet an experienced person would know to wait to they are mature enough to test.

Amber eyes are rare in GSDs? Yeah again I think you have had little to do with them.

You think a dog teething in dangerous? Now that made me laugh. She was 5 months and had a chance to chew something up SCARY!!!

So its ok for you to say you did xyz but give no name, you wont say if YOUR dogs parents were health tested (which most people would be happy to say that so its very fishy you wont). However you want me to share every single detail of ONE of my dogs.

AND YOU are in no better boat to judge my dog. Since you know nothing about her - which you have said yourself.

Your now bringing up points about my dog Ive already covered - go back and read if your interested.

"I'm going to stop replying. I don't see the point of it"...obviously you're not confident enough to stand by your word.

Firstly you're showing your ignorance again. The grandsire is Aragon Spirit of the Wolf, and is most definitelely registered. Even now you clearly haven't seen the pedigree. Stop making statements without checking first.

From doing research into the breed, I had the impression czws would be a challenging breed to own, but now I own them, my first hand expirience tells me differently. Although I am an expirienced dog owner. Also I was saying they would need to be recognised here before you could consider anything such as permits. Please improve your comprehension skills before trying to pick me out on points like that.

You say your dog ate a TV! I'm not saying your dog is dangerous, I'm saying you're a dangerous owner. No responsible owner would allow their dog to eat electronic equipment. She could of choked on something, or worse been electrocuted.

I know what a Czechoslovakian Shepherd is. So I know you're a liar. You still haven't mentioned why the breeder didn't attempt to have them recognised here by the way..

My dogs regularly go to the vets. For their age they're very healthy.



You haven't answered one thing about your dog. You haven't even shown pictures.


Yes I do understand breeding. Maybe you don't understand English. The pedigree shows they're pure, you cannot argue with that. Now unless you have evidence that the pedigree is fraudulent, then they're pure. Where's your evidence, because right now...what you're doing looks a lot like defamation.

You need to apologise for the multiple false claims you've made.

[Angelika]

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Very fine, but I´m really sorry, Ligerwolve2 and Wolves.

I think, everyone else here is really bored.

Cheers and bye
Angelika

[Ligerwolve2]

Originally Posted by Angelika

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Very fine, but I´m really sorry, Ligerwolve2 and Wolves.

I think, everyone else here is really bored.

Cheers and bye
Angelika

Yeah you are right Angelika - and so am I! I dont think there will ever be any clear answers coming. So Im going to go sit on my hands

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Ligerwolve2

So Im going to go sit on my hands

Loooooooooooooooooool I´won´t .

Please, wolves, SHOW us your FCI papers.


Cheers
Angelika

I never claimed to have FCI papers.

I don't make false claims, unlike some people here. Why don't you ask ligerwolve to show FCI papers?

[QLDphil]

Hi there, This is my first time here. I am looking to get two Czech Wolfdogs here in Australia. Can anyone help?

[Ligerwolve2]

Hi there QLDphil. I would suggest you do a bit of stalking on here and find a reputable breeder to import from. Quarantine starts at only 10 days now which is so much better for importing but its still a costly affair. Have you ever imported before?

[QLDphil]

Hi there,

No I haven't imported a dog before, I heard it was horrifically expensive. Do you have any breeders you recommend? Also do you know what the likely cost is? I had heard that you can't get them till they are over 9 mths old?