Northern inuit dog - Page 2

taloowa · 09-10-2008, 20:00

Nah thats cool, I understand and thank you for the warning both of you

its sad to think people are like that, especially over the internet.

Do you have wolf dogs?

Bye
Taloowa

solowolf · 28-01-2009, 03:02

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Originally Posted by farena

Hello,

I didn´t want to mean that everybody here are like this, but I´ve found some of them. On the other hand, here in Spain there is a wolfdog called Ivayn (I think so) and their owners are quite nice people.

Hi Farena i exported two cwd to Spain last year they are doing well and live in area just outside Alicnate, I lived in La Hoya about 19 k from Alicante for two years, i love the Spannish why of life it reminds me of home in Ireland everything is so laid back and easy going, I have many great Spannish friends who i visit every year, i think maybe this year when the dogs are over two years my friends will breed, we will use stud dog from other friends in Europe so hopefully this year there will be some more cwd in Spain,,, best regards from uk paul and mandy

Mikael · 09-10-2008, 21:53

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Originally Posted by farena

I agree with Tikaani in the fact that in this site you will find some people who I consider too much proud of belonging a checoslovaquian wolfdog. I can asure you that if your dogs are not pedigreed most of the people here won´t allow you belonging to their "club".

This is also because they are very afraid that the "breed" dissapears... somebody told this to me.

Bye.

No that is not the problem at all...

I think the problem is that the mixing is done by people that are no experts on mix-breeding, and If you cross a CsV whit an udder dog the mix might show aggresion against humans...and if there will be an accedent the CsV and the wolf blood will bee blamed, not the one ho mix the breed or the udder dogbreed...

Do not get me wrong I like mixing, CsV is a mixt dog breed to, but it is done by experts and not farmers !!!

Regards / Mikael

taloowa · 09-10-2008, 21:56

Hey there

I like that answer, i can see that happening.. Well I can safley tell you that my dogs are as silly as they come lol and live with my 3 young kids, but we find here in England it is not the dogs to blame for the ones that bit or something its the owners who dont know things.

Bye
Averil

Mikael · 09-10-2008, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by taloowa

Hey there

I like that answer, i can see that happening.. Well I can safley tell you that my dogs are as silly as they come lol and live with my 3 young kids, but we find here in England it is not the dogs to blame for the ones that bit or something its the owners who dont know things.

Bye
Averil

Yes I agree that it is in 95% the owners that are to blame, but some people ho buy a mix dog whit CsV in, do not know how demanding they can bee, and that they are differant to train...and sens it is a mix nobody realy knows how demanding the mix will bee and so one...

/ Mikael

Pavel · 09-10-2008, 21:57

Every crossing must have some sense (dveloping new breed, health improvent etc). But this all senses must makes people, which are competent for it. Because many CsW is crossing absolutelly without sense and its only destruction the breed.

taloowa · 09-10-2008, 22:03

I agree that crossing with some breeds would be fatel to the czech, however if carefully done, and carefully chosen, it could be succesful,
the temprment of the dog, and the gentics of the chosen dog, has to be carefully considered, there are a lot of people out there that will try and mate it and create a monster i agree, but matching it to something similar, can be a good thing when the bloodlines of the dogs are so narrow. And a possible inbreeding and gaining disease could be worse than bringing in new blood...

taloowa · 09-10-2008, 22:13

I agree crossbreeding could be fatal to any breed, but my carefully chosing the dog and temprament and gentics a little of new blood can be a good thing.

As the bloodlines on these breeds are so small we could end up inbreeding at some point and creating problems.

So a little of something new is a good thing, even mother nature shows us that, to create the dog in the first place you had to have a wolf and a GSD, and if she had not wanted them mixed then they would not of mated...

So carefull selection like mother nature is a good thing..

taloowa · 09-10-2008, 22:15

sorry did not mean to post that twice my computer died lol

Mikael · 09-10-2008, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by taloowa

I agree crossbreeding could be fatal to any breed, but my carefully chosing the dog and temprament and gentics a little of new blood can be a good thing.

As the bloodlines on these breeds are so small we could end up inbreeding at some point and creating problems.

So a little of something new is a good thing, even mother nature shows us that, to create the dog in the first place you had to have a wolf and a GSD, and if she had not wanted them mixed then they would not of mated...

So carefull selection like mother nature is a good thing..

Yes I agree, but I do not think it is a good thing to mix a new blood line at home...

I leve that to the experts on CsV in Cz and Sk.

But you are right new blood is needed, but then it is good that FCI alowes new blood to bee added. But only under strikt forms by the mother clubs.

/ Mikael

taloowa · 09-10-2008, 22:23

well the orignal czech wolf was created to try and help the gsd, and its problems, the same as the sarloos, netiher people then were experts, and the experts are not mother nature.What my dogs are, have been carefully chosen to create a dog that is not much different from your own, in looks and temprament, they are similar, only mine have some new blood in them.I think people have to think about the bloodlines in these breeds and realise that they are not large and they are very small. That could create more problems then good.

taloowa · 09-10-2008, 22:28

I agree Pavel crossing with a labrador or poodle would not be the greatest thing to do out there with the czech, and i would hope no one would.

It does mean someone has to carefully chose the correct dog and temprament and bloodline, and i agree there are to many people out there doing things just for some money.

As I say, I would hate to see a czech mate with a poodle or something.

I understand were u are coming from, and agree it has to be done carfully, I think what makes people worry is the moment something goes wrong the wolf would be blamed, and i think that is more down to owners then to a slight differnet bloodline....personally

Mikael · 09-10-2008, 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by taloowa

well the orignal czech wolf was created to try and help the gsd, and its problems, the same as the sarloos, netiher people then were experts, and the experts are not mother nature.What my dogs are, have been carefully chosen to create a dog that is not much different from your own, in looks and temprament, they are similar, only mine have some new blood in them.I think people have to think about the bloodlines in these breeds and realise that they are not large and they are very small. That could create more problems then good.

Yes but wild crossing whit udder breeds might also bring in heriditary diseases to, there fore I think it is better to let the mother clubs do it.

If it is done today, DNA test are to bee used to create a 100% healthy blood line.

/ M

michaelundinaeichhorn · 09-10-2008, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by taloowa

well the orignal czech wolf was created to try and help the gsd, and its problems, the same as the sarloos, netiher people then were experts, and the experts are not mother nature.What my dogs are, have been carefully chosen to create a dog that is not much different from your own, in looks and temprament, they are similar, only mine have some new blood in them.I think people have to think about the bloodlines in these breeds and realise that they are not large and they are very small. That could create more problems then good.

What you don´t seem to realize is that crossng isn´t a benefit in itself. If it is necessary - and as a vet I don´t think so at that point - it should be carefully done. It is no problem as long as you cross them with labradors and poodles, you will always see this is no CSW, but it is a problem when it is done irresponsible. We have the problem now that there are dogs coming into breeding that are not purebred, that nobody knows anything about, that may include breeds with severe heriditary problems or that might be wolfcrosses, what normally causes enough problems in itself. The persons crossing them are definetly no honest, responsible persons. If the breeder of your dog is the one I think I wouldn´t believe one word he is saying, insulting everybody who didn´t share his opinion following strange ideas theat definetly weren´t of any interest but his own.
Therefore I am no friend of crosses, at this point we don´t need them, they are not controlled, they are just result of breeding of persons I don´t trust one second. People like that can ruin a breed or severly harm it.

Ina

solowolf · 21-01-2009, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by taloowa

Hi

I just wanted to post a message to everyone to introduce myself, I have 3 czech wolf hybrids and 1 sarloos currently, love them to pieces, and looking forward to sharing my experience with everyone.....

Bye
Taloowa

look forward to you telling us all who is the breeder of such dogs??? please tell this site,,,,,,

Juniorwolf · 22-01-2009, 00:03

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Originally Posted by solowolf

look forward to you telling us all who is the breeder of such dogs??? please tell this site,,,,,,

One breeder of such dogs(according to their own website) you can find here :
http://www.ookaminida.co.uk/puppyinfo/puppyinfo.html

But I have ofcourse no idea if this is the kennel in question ?

Greetings Rolf

Juniorwolf · 22-01-2009, 00:12

I just found one more breeder who uses CSW to mix with Inuit dogs
http://www.freewebs.com/jann1/litters.htm

Greetings Rolf

Navajo · 22-01-2009, 10:00

The problem in the UK is as already stated that the Czech wolf dog and Saarloos have only just been made legal without the need for licences. If they had been legal in the first place the Inuit/Utonagon e.t.c would not have ever been created. Now that they are legal, the crossing of Czechs and Saarloos with Inuits in the past seems to have ruined the chances of being able to breed pure bred CsV and Saarloos dogs in the Uk for fear of crossing. To us, the chance to have a half CsV or Saarloos was the nearest thing we were going to get to a pure bred and lots of money has been exchanged for these dogs.

What should have happened now that the breeds are legal is for Inuit breeders to have imported the best lines that they could afford to and faded the Inuit out, there is of course no need for a breed that after being bred for the length of time it has, still has very little type and breed standard to continue. The NI also of course being riddled with health issues.

I will agree with the OP though in saying the Inuit and Inuit crosses are lovely dogs and some are real stunners. Please remember GSD breeders may have shared the same opinions and views as many of you when Dr L Saarloos decided to cross the GSD with a wolf.

wolfin · 04-12-2008, 18:17

new breed plan :
http://www.inuits.co.uk/11.html
12th January 2009
From Chea and Titan

I think Chea be wolf like dog, who is she breed I not cann say.Titn be pure CSW and... be reproductor mix dog.

and now he have litter- Saarlos and mix dog.
cytat:
http://www.inuits.co.uk/12.html
Litter of 3/4 Saarloos puppies from Boots and Carlic born 1st December, 5 dogs and 3 bitches

and who be quaranty about Shoshone pupps -be this pupps pure breed or not (who now reklam in WD site -planed litter)

solowolf · 06-12-2008, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfin

new breed plan :
http://www.inuits.co.uk/11.html
12th January 2009
From Chea and Titan

I think Chea be wolf like dog, who is she breed I not cann say.Titn be pure CSW and... be reproductor mix dog.

and now he have litter- Saarlos and mix dog.
cytat:
http://www.inuits.co.uk/12.html
Litter of 3/4 Saarloos puppies from Boots and Carlic born 1st December, 5 dogs and 3 bitches

and who be quaranty about Shoshone pupps -be this pupps pure breed or not (who now reklam in WD site -planed litter)

sorry we do not have bastard litter from CSW and saarloos I DO NOT OWN TITAN LOBO as i said before PACINO KENNELS DO NOT CROSS BREED CSW WOLFDOGS now go find out who is doing the cross breeding then come back on line and appologise for your loose talk with no facts, PACINO KENNELS UK.

04-12-2008, 18:17	#19
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	Inuit dog new breed plan : http://www.inuits.co.uk/11.html 12th January 2009 From Chea and Titan I think Chea be wolf like dog, who is she breed I not cann say.Titn be pure CSW and... be reproductor mix dog. and now he have litter- Saarlos and mix dog. cytat: http://www.inuits.co.uk/12.html Litter of 3/4 Saarloos puppies from Boots and Carlic born 1st December, 5 dogs and 3 bitches and who be quaranty about Shoshone pupps -be this pupps pure breed or not (who now reklam in WD site -planed litter) __________________

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09-10-2008, 20:00	#1
taloowa Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 28	Nah thats cool, I understand and thank you for the warning both of you its sad to think people are like that, especially over the internet. Do you have wolf dogs? Bye Taloowa

09-10-2008, 21:56	#4
taloowa Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 28	Hey there I like that answer, i can see that happening.. Well I can safley tell you that my dogs are as silly as they come lol and live with my 3 young kids, but we find here in England it is not the dogs to blame for the ones that bit or something its the owners who dont know things. Bye Averil

09-10-2008, 21:57	#6
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Every crossing must have some sense (dveloping new breed, health improvent etc). But this all senses must makes people, which are competent for it. Because many CsW is crossing absolutelly without sense and its only destruction the breed.

09-10-2008, 22:03	#7
taloowa Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 28	I agree that crossing with some breeds would be fatel to the czech, however if carefully done, and carefully chosen, it could be succesful, the temprment of the dog, and the gentics of the chosen dog, has to be carefully considered, there are a lot of people out there that will try and mate it and create a monster i agree, but matching it to something similar, can be a good thing when the bloodlines of the dogs are so narrow. And a possible inbreeding and gaining disease could be worse than bringing in new blood...

09-10-2008, 22:13	#8
taloowa Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 28	I agree crossbreeding could be fatal to any breed, but my carefully chosing the dog and temprament and gentics a little of new blood can be a good thing. As the bloodlines on these breeds are so small we could end up inbreeding at some point and creating problems. So a little of something new is a good thing, even mother nature shows us that, to create the dog in the first place you had to have a wolf and a GSD, and if she had not wanted them mixed then they would not of mated... So carefull selection like mother nature is a good thing..

09-10-2008, 22:15	#9
taloowa Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 28	sorry did not mean to post that twice my computer died lol

09-10-2008, 22:23	#11
taloowa Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 28	well the orignal czech wolf was created to try and help the gsd, and its problems, the same as the sarloos, netiher people then were experts, and the experts are not mother nature.What my dogs are, have been carefully chosen to create a dog that is not much different from your own, in looks and temprament, they are similar, only mine have some new blood in them.I think people have to think about the bloodlines in these breeds and realise that they are not large and they are very small. That could create more problems then good.

09-10-2008, 22:28	#12
taloowa Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 28	I agree Pavel crossing with a labrador or poodle would not be the greatest thing to do out there with the czech, and i would hope no one would. It does mean someone has to carefully chose the correct dog and temprament and bloodline, and i agree there are to many people out there doing things just for some money. As I say, I would hate to see a czech mate with a poodle or something. I understand were u are coming from, and agree it has to be done carfully, I think what makes people worry is the moment something goes wrong the wolf would be blamed, and i think that is more down to owners then to a slight differnet bloodline....personally

22-01-2009, 00:12	#17
Juniorwolf Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 575	I just found one more breeder who uses CSW to mix with Inuit dogs http://www.freewebs.com/jann1/litters.htm Greetings Rolf

22-01-2009, 10:00	#18
Navajo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 14	The problem in the UK is as already stated that the Czech wolf dog and Saarloos have only just been made legal without the need for licences. If they had been legal in the first place the Inuit/Utonagon e.t.c would not have ever been created. Now that they are legal, the crossing of Czechs and Saarloos with Inuits in the past seems to have ruined the chances of being able to breed pure bred CsV and Saarloos dogs in the Uk for fear of crossing. To us, the chance to have a half CsV or Saarloos was the nearest thing we were going to get to a pure bred and lots of money has been exchanged for these dogs. What should have happened now that the breeds are legal is for Inuit breeders to have imported the best lines that they could afford to and faded the Inuit out, there is of course no need for a breed that after being bred for the length of time it has, still has very little type and breed standard to continue. The NI also of course being riddled with health issues. I will agree with the OP though in saying the Inuit and Inuit crosses are lovely dogs and some are real stunners. Please remember GSD breeders may have shared the same opinions and views as many of you when Dr L Saarloos decided to cross the GSD with a wolf.