Norwegian ban on SW and CzW - Page 8

Angelika · 27-11-2009, 13:33

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

I have always wanted to own a wolf

Sorry, but I don´t think that´s the right attitude to own a CSV.

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Anyway I will not resign of having a wolfdog and just buy one with a mix breed passport in case I get stopped on the border, but it wont happen since there are no borders inside the EU. And when I have the dog in Norway I will just say if anyone asks that its a "blandingshund"

Maybe a bit selfish?? I would not endanger my dog in such a way. Didn´t you hear about the amstaff Majlo?

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So the norwegian SV(ine) and AP(e) socialist can just eat their stupid piece of paper cause no one will ever have a chance to find out that my dog isnt just a mix born in Norway.

If I would live in Norway I´m a guest. And as a guest I have - much more than an inhabitant - to respect the rules.

Just my 2 pence ...

Rona · 27-11-2009, 14:09

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Originally Posted by Angelika

If I would live in Norway I´m a guest. And as a guest I have - much more than an inhabitant - to respect the rules.

Angelika, I fully support your comments! Even if it means for some people that we're in the same "family"

XaedasKSP · 27-11-2009, 15:03

Well actually I was born in Norway but I have Polish parents so I didnt have so much choice about being a guest or not. So I am not a guest but an inhabitant with norwegian passport and born on norwegian soil, and I am also a member of the FrP. So ofc. I do complain like 24 % of Norwegians who vote FrP also do. And there are many people who really hate socialists here not only cause of the dog law but also many other laws where they treat adult people like children who must be told what to do.

As for the attitude well its some reason behind creating a race like CSV and I am 100 % sure that one of the reasons was actually that they should look like wolfes while not being real wolfes since having a real wolf could be dangerous even if I could keep it from it was 7 weeks old (the instinct etc.). And the CSV is not dangerous from what I have read it just require some more attention and better guiding than for example german sheperd.... I dont know how someone can tell that someone else dont have the right attitude just cause he likes wolfes..... There are people who like yorkshire, chihuahua, dachs etc. for me those ones are breeding failures who dont got anything in common with the real thing the wolf. And I want a real dog that is as close as it gets to the original.

As for the amstaff well anyone on the street can see what it is just like pitbull, rotweiler or dogs like this. Those dogs are too totally different than the original. While CSV will be taken by 99,99 % of people as a mix of husky with laika or elk hound or something cause no one here do even know that something like CSV exist. I didnt know it too until recently. And I was very happy when I found out that dogs like CSV exist.

So when I get my dog it will never be in danger of anything since no one will even imagine it can be a CSV since they dont know what it is and they can never dream about the dog being "banned". When people see a "dangerous" pitbull, doberman, amstaff, rotweiler etc. then they are afraid but no one will be afraid when looking at a wolfie like CSV and thats why no one will be able to imagine that the dog is "banned".

And in 2013 hopefully the theoretical problem ends together with the socialist regime.

Mikael · 28-11-2009, 02:29

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

Anyway I will not resign of having a wolfdog and just buy one with a mix breed passport in case I get stopped on the border, but it wont happen since there are no borders inside the EU.

Hello again schoolboy, I just wont to inform you that Norway is not in the EU, at least not yet. But that is hard for you to know as you do not know anything about politics, as you sit up all night and talk about how to be a (good) criminal instead of study

Now go to bed before you get grounded by mom, Here is your teddy bear

he’s name is wolfie I did think it be suitable as you wonted a "wolfie"

/ M

solowolf · 21-12-2009, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Per Olav

For your information.

The Norwegian Ministry of Justice and the Norwegian Ministry of Enviroment are
working on proposal of banning the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (CSV)and the
Saarlos Wolfhound (SW) breeds in Norway.

The Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation (NRK) is immiment to launch a news
feature in disfavour of the two breeds on the TV.

The Broadcasting Corporations reporter on the subject, has illegally copied
pics from my CSV homesite. If I don't participate in the programme to defend
the breeds, the reporter will use the pics stolen from my homesite. I will by
no means participate in this event.

Regards

Per Olav

Per sorry for intrusion on your post as i am not currently up to date with what is going on just from what i have read here, it is bad for such big corporations to do this, the tv has massive effect on the media and most people are just gulible enough to believe all they hear on the t.v. right or wrong, it is infringment of your privicy for them to remove your photos and then use them as to blackmail you, illegal,,,,,but you at present do have one thing in your favor, you know what they intend to do,,,, now is the time to capitalize on it,, you must jump in and get news out before they can, how many people on this web site can send you pics of CSV with there children, with other animals, all can be put on a web site, sureley there is magazine will let you do article on the CSV, a news paper? all the people on this site and all friends must sign petition now? get it started today,, we had ban in uk but it already existed before i got my CWS to uk, but this is different as it will lead to new ban which may never come right again for CVS in Norway, Per you must stand up and defend your dogs, even if it is against your way of life or all you stand for, you may only get one go at this, agree to do interview but conditions are you are allowed to bring a wolfdog with you, and make sure a young child walks it into the studio,,,,,,,,i had lot of people sign pettition many years ago on wolfdog.org and it helped a lot,,, it is very hard for you but go for it, the CSV and Per in Noway need your help all wolfdog owner get of your asses and do something mail this guy , there are enough of you to help, we get plenty of posts so you all have the time, Per from the czech owners in uk what can we do to help CONTACT US,,,,as for the Saarloos people you shoul be totally ashamed of yourselfs and it will not be forgotten,

AND DONT FORGET IF THE BAN GOES AHEAD IT IS AN EXCUSE FOR MAYBE THE GOVERNMENT OF YOUR COUNTRY TO BAN THEM WHERE YOU LIVE NEXT...............

XaedasKSP · 21-12-2009, 22:18

Why what do you wish me banned for now Per Olav? Answering your posts in a polite manner where I answered politically only where you first touched the politics?

Or maybe for answering Mikael in the most polite manner possible after he did all he could to try to provoke me to say something that would be not polite on a debate forum. I havent said a single abusive word. And where I answered politically it was because it was asked for. You cant ask about politics and then shout "ban him cause he answers with politics".....if I shall get banned then the other users asking me things that are politically connected should to get banned for politics on the forum.

But I totally dont understand why politics are forbidden in a topic about the law, but I dont argue with that I just wish that there shall be some justice, if someone provokes me and asks about political things then I must be allowed to answer with politics or else the person who writes about politics in a post adressed to me should too be banned.

But I hope that the moderator shall read all the posts including those that Mikael wrote to me before I answered him, and that the moderator will understand that I have just answered politely to his posts....and that there is no reason to ban me.

As for the case of the dog....if people say like Rona did in this topic that I am not suitable to have a SW because of my politic beliefs, then I dont know how I can answer to such posts without touching the politics.

My politic beliefs are not a reason to say that I will not be a good enough owner of a SW, and no objective person will say that someone will not be a good owner of a dog because of his political beliefs. The best proof of this is that people on the polish forum actually were helpfull with giving me info about how to find SW breeders and actually I also got congratulated upon the fact of finding a SW pup that I can buy.

Saarlooses are 100 % legal in Norway, there is even a norwegian breeder of them and there are many people in Norway waiting to get a pup from the litters planned in Norway and others who rather import their pup like me and this is also 100 % legal. So I dont understand what is the problem of the people that criticise me......

Per Olav · 21-12-2009, 22:54

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

So I dont understand what is the problem of the people that criticise me......

If you don't understand why, there's in my opinnion no way of explaining it in a way that is understandble to you.

As a novice to this forum it certainly is better ways than yours when addressing people who is unknown to you. As a possible owner of a wolfdog this forum is a absolute must for anyone interrested in discussing different topics related to wolfdogs and their behaviour. Bullying people is not the way of doing this.

Btw I did not want you banned, just making an end of posting your unwanted political views on this forum.
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XaedasKSP · 21-12-2009, 23:14

Well I have already said that I have ended posting political views here, but when people are posting posts here adressed to me with political content then as I have said I dont know how to respond to them without touching the politics. So I hope no one bans me for answering people....

If someone tell me that they think the reason of my unsuitableness for having a SW is my political views like Rona did:

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"I already pity his dog (if he mangages to get one

). What, if the poor animal will not be able to express support for his owners' political views, or, even worse, will not share them?!

"

Then how do you think this can be answered without talking about politics?

Well I dont think that I have "bullyed" anyone (If having a different point of view is "bullying" then maybe I have but I didnt know it was "bullying") but if anyone feel "bullyed" then I am very sorry for that.

I do always try to respond in a polite manner, even when people try to provoke me like Mikael did (if you read his posts then you will probably see that I havent been more unpolite to him than he have been to me, maybe even less). And the reason I am on this forum is exactly to get more information about the wolfdogs, since there is no separate SW forum so a wolfdogforum should be most suitable forum then for owners of Saarlooses.

As for the best of the breed well then I think its positive that Saarlooses are more and more common in Norway and that even someone decided to breed them in Norway. If people and the government see that Saarlooses are nice and friendly dogs then I think it can only be positive for the CSVs and for the case of lifting the ban....and as I said if you need any petition signed or some other help in political pressure on the government to lift the ban I will gladly help......

Angelika · 22-12-2009, 15:34

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Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

Saarlooses are 100 % legal in Norway

??????????

According to the official site of Norway it´s forbidden to own, breed and import dangerous dogs. Dogs, who arose from a crossing between dog and wolf, are considered as dangerous - without regard to the particular part of wolf.

Thereafter Saarloos wolfhonds are not really safe in Norway.

Per Olav · 22-12-2009, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Angelika

??????????

According to the official site of Norway it´s forbidden to own, breed and import dangerous dogs. Dogs, who arose from a crossing between dog and wolf, are considered as dangerous - without regard to the particular part of wolf.

Thereafter Saarloos wolfhonds are not really safe in Norway.

SW is legal but surely not safe. That's why I'm worried. New inexperienced owners not knowing what they are facing may be extremely harmful in the efforts of changing the law. A new breeder selling pups to fanciers of the sw wolfy look and behavior may be more harmful than anything else. I really do hope the breeder is aware of that. For time beeing my mood is down thinking of the uncertain future of the sw i Norway.

Rona · 22-12-2009, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Per Olav

For time beeing my mood is down thinking of the uncertain future of the sw i Norway.

Per Olav, here is a litttle Christmas gift to cheer you up, with a special dedication for Norwegian Authorities.

New (and non-political

) version of the Little Red Riding Hood image

21-12-2009, 23:14	#8
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Well I have already said that I have ended posting political views here, but when people are posting posts here adressed to me with political content then as I have said I dont know how to respond to them without touching the politics. So I hope no one bans me for answering people.... If someone tell me that they think the reason of my unsuitableness for having a SW is my political views like Rona did: Quote: "I already pity his dog (if he mangages to get one). What, if the poor animal will not be able to express support for his owners' political views, or, even worse, will not share them?! " Then how do you think this can be answered without talking about politics? Well I dont think that I have "bullyed" anyone (If having a different point of view is "bullying" then maybe I have but I didnt know it was "bullying") but if anyone feel "bullyed" then I am very sorry for that. I do always try to respond in a polite manner, even when people try to provoke me like Mikael did (if you read his posts then you will probably see that I havent been more unpolite to him than he have been to me, maybe even less). And the reason I am on this forum is exactly to get more information about the wolfdogs, since there is no separate SW forum so a wolfdogforum should be most suitable forum then for owners of Saarlooses. As for the best of the breed well then I think its positive that Saarlooses are more and more common in Norway and that even someone decided to breed them in Norway. If people and the government see that Saarlooses are nice and friendly dogs then I think it can only be positive for the CSVs and for the case of lifting the ban....and as I said if you need any petition signed or some other help in political pressure on the government to lift the ban I will gladly help......

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27-11-2009, 15:03	#3
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Well actually I was born in Norway but I have Polish parents so I didnt have so much choice about being a guest or not. So I am not a guest but an inhabitant with norwegian passport and born on norwegian soil, and I am also a member of the FrP. So ofc. I do complain like 24 % of Norwegians who vote FrP also do. And there are many people who really hate socialists here not only cause of the dog law but also many other laws where they treat adult people like children who must be told what to do. As for the attitude well its some reason behind creating a race like CSV and I am 100 % sure that one of the reasons was actually that they should look like wolfes while not being real wolfes since having a real wolf could be dangerous even if I could keep it from it was 7 weeks old (the instinct etc.). And the CSV is not dangerous from what I have read it just require some more attention and better guiding than for example german sheperd.... I dont know how someone can tell that someone else dont have the right attitude just cause he likes wolfes..... There are people who like yorkshire, chihuahua, dachs etc. for me those ones are breeding failures who dont got anything in common with the real thing the wolf. And I want a real dog that is as close as it gets to the original. As for the amstaff well anyone on the street can see what it is just like pitbull, rotweiler or dogs like this. Those dogs are too totally different than the original. While CSV will be taken by 99,99 % of people as a mix of husky with laika or elk hound or something cause no one here do even know that something like CSV exist. I didnt know it too until recently. And I was very happy when I found out that dogs like CSV exist. So when I get my dog it will never be in danger of anything since no one will even imagine it can be a CSV since they dont know what it is and they can never dream about the dog being "banned". When people see a "dangerous" pitbull, doberman, amstaff, rotweiler etc. then they are afraid but no one will be afraid when looking at a wolfie like CSV and thats why no one will be able to imagine that the dog is "banned". And in 2013 hopefully the theoretical problem ends together with the socialist regime.

21-12-2009, 22:18	#6
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Why what do you wish me banned for now Per Olav? Answering your posts in a polite manner where I answered politically only where you first touched the politics? Or maybe for answering Mikael in the most polite manner possible after he did all he could to try to provoke me to say something that would be not polite on a debate forum. I havent said a single abusive word. And where I answered politically it was because it was asked for. You cant ask about politics and then shout "ban him cause he answers with politics".....if I shall get banned then the other users asking me things that are politically connected should to get banned for politics on the forum. But I totally dont understand why politics are forbidden in a topic about the law, but I dont argue with that I just wish that there shall be some justice, if someone provokes me and asks about political things then I must be allowed to answer with politics or else the person who writes about politics in a post adressed to me should too be banned. But I hope that the moderator shall read all the posts including those that Mikael wrote to me before I answered him, and that the moderator will understand that I have just answered politely to his posts....and that there is no reason to ban me. As for the case of the dog....if people say like Rona did in this topic that I am not suitable to have a SW because of my politic beliefs, then I dont know how I can answer to such posts without touching the politics. My politic beliefs are not a reason to say that I will not be a good enough owner of a SW, and no objective person will say that someone will not be a good owner of a dog because of his political beliefs. The best proof of this is that people on the polish forum actually were helpfull with giving me info about how to find SW breeders and actually I also got congratulated upon the fact of finding a SW pup that I can buy. Saarlooses are 100 % legal in Norway, there is even a norwegian breeder of them and there are many people in Norway waiting to get a pup from the litters planned in Norway and others who rather import their pup like me and this is also 100 % legal. So I dont understand what is the problem of the people that criticise me......